Return-Path: Received: from dub0-omc4-s16.dub0.hotmail.com ([157.55.2.91] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5464055 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 06 May 2014 13:03:16 +0200 Received: from DUB128-DS18 ([157.55.2.72]) by dub0-omc4-s16.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 6 May 2014 04:03:15 -0700 X-TMN: [61Gl//2Z1urqnvidKORrqXM2V4422Lab] X-Originating-Email: [anders@sundstedt.co.uk] Message-ID: Return-Path: anders@sundstedt.co.uk From: Anders Sundstedt To: "After Effects Mail List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [AE] Private training questions Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 12:03:14 +0100 Organization: Sundstedt Animation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF6923.28B2EBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2014 11:03:15.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[C785BAD0:01CF691A] ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF6923.28B2EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick and Steve, It=92s interesting to hear different AE experts stories and experiences. = It sounds like private training may have been pretty good business at = least back in 99-03! Interestingly I had a guy who is a Ph.D recently in England wanting = training in either Max or Maya I can=92t remember now and I had to tell = him I felt too rusty to provide training for him in that area, = especially as it was for 3D character animation that I have not had that = much experience of in the 1st place. He just contacted me out of the = blue. Thanks Anders From: Steve Oakley=20 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 9:37 PM To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Private training questions classes never made much money most of the time. what did make money was = one on one or groups of 2-4 people private training. I made about 50% of = my income from doing that for several years, circa 99-03 or so. well = before there was a flood of internet content that ranges from very good = to really bad. the internet killed a lot of that... or to the point of = where instead of being booked for 2-3 days, you get booked for an = afternoon.=20 Steve Oakley 920 544 2230c steveoakley.net=20 DP =95 Sound =95 Colorist =95 Editor=20 NY/LA/WI/ Where ever you fly me On May 5, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Rick Gerard wrote: I have been using AE for more than 20 years (from version 1) and = started producing tutorials for Creative Cow in 1996. I have taught = small groups of 10 or less in classroom situations in 3 day intensive = sessions on various techniques. I also have given lectures and demos to = audiences up to 500 participants. Occasionally I have been brought in to = various production studios and corporate video production facilities to = provide one on one mentoring to help them with specific projects or to = institute a better production workflow.=20 Subjects have ranged from getting started to advanced keying and = compositing, to camera tracking and background replacement and = everything in between. The fees depend on the size of the audience, the = subject matter covered, and the materials provided to the students. = Occasionally teaching AE and production techniques has given me a little = supplemental income, but the real money made in training only happens = when you have some really good credentials and some corporate backing. = Take for example, Vincent Laforet's Directing Motion Tour. See the = trailer here: https://vimeo.com/90867151 $295 per person, 30 to 60 participants per city / 32 cities Plus DVD = sales and other materials and sponsorships. There=92s good money to be = made giving lectures and demos if you have the credentials and = reputation to go with it.=20 When you are just starting out you will be lucky to find much work = that pays much more than your expenses getting to the venue. The key to = making a living, or supplementing your living with training in any field = is to be enough of an expert that your classes are in demand. Just = knowing how do do something and having a decent reel on YouTube isn=92t = going to do much.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CF6923.28B2EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Rick and Steve,
 
It=92s interesting to hear different AE experts stories and = experiences. It=20 sounds like private training may have been pretty good business at least = back in=20 99-03!
 
Interestingly I had a guy who is a Ph.D recently in England wanting = training in either Max or Maya I can=92t remember now and I had to tell = him I felt=20 too rusty to provide training for him in that area, especially as it was = for 3D=20 character animation that I have not had that much experience of in the = 1st=20 place. He just contacted me out of the blue.
 
Thanks
Anders
 
 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] Private training = questions
 
classes=20 never made much money most of the time. what did make money was one on = one or=20 groups of 2-4 people private training. I made about 50% of my income = from doing=20 that for several years, circa 99-03 or so. well before there was a flood = of=20 internet content that ranges from very good to really bad. the internet = killed a=20 lot of that... or to the point of where instead of being booked for 2-3 = days,=20 you get booked for an afternoon.=20
 
Steve Oakley
 
920 544 2230c
DP =95 Sound =95 Colorist =95 Editor
NY/LA/WI/ Where ever you fly me
 
On May 5, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Rick Gerard <ae@mstrg.com> wrote:
I have been using AE for more than 20 years = (from=20 version 1) and started producing tutorials for Creative Cow in 1996. I = have=20 taught small groups of 10 or less in classroom situations in 3 day = intensive=20 sessions on various techniques. I also have given lectures and demos = to=20 audiences up to 500 participants. Occasionally I have been brought in = to=20 various production studios and corporate video production facilities = to=20 provide one on one mentoring to help them with specific projects or to = institute a better production workflow.

Subjects have ranged = from=20 getting started to advanced keying and compositing, to camera tracking = and=20 background replacement and everything in between. The fees depend on = the size=20 of the audience, the subject matter covered, and the materials = provided to the=20 students.  Occasionally teaching AE and production techniques has = given=20 me a little supplemental income, but the real money made in training = only=20 happens when you have some really good credentials and some corporate = backing.=20 Take for example, Vincent Laforet's Directing Motion Tour. See the = trailer=20 here:

https://vimeo.com/90867151
$295=20 per person, 30 to 60 participants per city / 32 cities Plus DVD sales = and=20 other materials and sponsorships. There=92s good money to be made = giving=20 lectures and demos if you have the credentials and reputation to go = with it.=20

When you are just starting out you will be lucky to find much = work=20 that pays much more than your expenses getting to the venue. The key = to making=20 a living, or supplementing your living with training in any field is = to be=20 enough of an expert that your classes are in demand. Just knowing how = do do=20 something and having a decent reel on YouTube isn=92t going to do = much.=20
 
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