Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5473464 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 15 May 2014 00:26:55 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LUjAgORdn7XUf/HVQXLSvw)" Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([76.14.75.21]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0N5L00IUC50SG350@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 14 May 2014 22:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Rachel Max Message-id: <8D05BB1D-A224-4E1D-A1C6-2B7EA6583078@mac.com> Subject: Re: [AE] Conveyor belt in Newton Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:26:52 -0700 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-MANTSH: 1TEIXREEbG1oaGkdHB0lGUkdDRl5PWBoaHREKTEMXGx0EGx8SBBscHwQdHhAbHho fGhEKWE0XSxEKbX4XGhEKTFkXGxobGxEKWUkXEQpZXhdoY3kRCkNOF0sbHhpiTk0dWhxPBBl4c wcebxgYGBxYGREKWFwXGQQaBBsbB01OHxgYGBlLBRsdBBsfEgQbHB8EHR4QGx4aHxsRCl5ZF2F bcGBjEQpMRhdia2sRCkNaFx0cBBseBB0fBBgbEQpCRhdjGHxpeHhZSHpbAREKQkUXZU5FeFBOG 1JGbksRCkJOF2hGQkAfSHkdRx9kEQpCTBdnW0NDRl5wTx1mfBEKQmwXYHh5Z0BOe3xvZHwRCkJ AF2BJZWBSaGQea2VQEQpCWBdpYUNuZ1teeV5EchEKcGcXaH5YZBISTRhLQEIRCnBoF29mbGJzE 1t5R19BEQpwaBdgYFlYTERSeBpiZBEKcGgXYGQaHBJNX2kTGX4RCnBoF24cbW1Le0RNQ2VvEQp waBdtYxIZGH5mG0VuAREKcH8XbWRpTm0BTUV7TEARCnBfF2x5QFNEeWVSSWhbEQpwfxdtSVwSe wFeT2xnBREKcF8XbGtbGWkZGV5cWmERCnB/F2VeW0NSRH9yQkVZEQpwXxdtT0dNbEFZQ1NzQhE KcH8XYFptYxpyYB5vTmMRCnBfF2UaG24efnBYa19ZEQpwfxdlRXthXnxvHFhzHxEKcF8XZGFDe lAbQVhuGW4RCnB/F28eZU5aGU4YbEZ9EQpwXxdtHUxHSF9ve3kdWxEKcGwXZHMfGEdHG0RceGU RCnBMF25kSVweYWcTSG9vEQ== X-CLX-Spam: false X-CLX-Score: 1011 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.96,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-05-14_05:2014-05-14,2014-05-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1405140264 --Boundary_(ID_LUjAgORdn7XUf/HVQXLSvw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey - I just did something similar using Newton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNNM-zGV7Tg4 It=92s around 0:40 but the whole video is worth a watch. (April fools = thing) I couldn=92t figure out how to animate 3 separate objects at different = points in time and had only a few hours - no time to read manuals or ask = questions so I might have done this the wrong way, but basically I = animated each of the 3 chairs individually and then married the = keyframes in a main comp.=20 The result wasn=92t perfect (time) but was certainly better than trying = to hand-keyframe. Cheers, Rachel On May 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, adam mercado wrote: > Excellent stuff Teddy. Just watched the quick start video and the = Kinekatics setting looks great. Animated the boxes to the end of the = belt and then let Newton take over. >=20 > I'm sure i'll bug you about something or other. Cheers !!! >=20 >=20 > Adam Mercado > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA >=20 > Moving Images. For Business > 714=B0928=B09896 > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 14, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> yes, definitely. But maybe try it with the demo first before you = purchase. But it is extremely intuitive (despite a few small quirks). An = hour's worth of tuts and maybe 20 minutes of setup and this would be = done. Not to mention a tax write off. And a crazy fun sandbox toy... >>=20 >> As for the robot - even that could be completely managed by newton = physics - as newton 2.0 has a pretty rad magnetics engine, and very = robust constraint, pulley and joints systems. They also have excellent = support and tutorials. And I'm always happy to answer questions.=20 >> -TG >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:49 PM, adam mercado = wrote: >> I need to create a 25 second animation of a conveyor belt with = objects being carried along and falling off the end and pilling up on = the floor. At first thought it sounds like a job for Newton. It would be = easy enough to hand animate the movement along the belt, but getting = realistic - or more correctly believable and attractive - motion as the = objects pile up would be very time consuming. >>=20 >> My question is, for someone who has zero experience with Newton, = would the time spent to download, install, learn and produce something = be a wash against just doing it by hand once all is said and done. I = would need to control certain aspects, as the occasional object is = picked up by an operator and place into a box, therefore would not be = managed by Newtons physics. >>=20 >> Any ideas if this is a path I want to go down. I have to complete = this tonight. >>=20 >> cheers >>=20 >> Adam Mercado >> Influxx Media Production >> Fullerton, CA >>=20 >> Moving Images. For Business >> 714=B0928=B09896 >> http://www.influxx.com >> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >=20 --Boundary_(ID_LUjAgORdn7XUf/HVQXLSvw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey - = I just did something similar using Newton:


It=92s around = 0:40 but the whole video is worth a watch. (April fools = thing)

I couldn=92t figure out how to animate 3 = separate objects at different points in time and had only a few hours - = no time to read manuals or ask questions so I might have done this the = wrong way, but basically I animated each of the 3 chairs individually = and then married the keyframes in a main = comp. 

The result wasn=92t perfect (time) = but was certainly better than trying to = hand-keyframe.

Cheers,
Rachel




On May 14, 2014, = at 3:12 PM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> = wrote:

Excellent stuff Teddy. Just watched the quick start video and the = Kinekatics setting looks great. Animated the boxes to the end of the = belt and then let Newton take over.

I'm sure i'll bug = you about something or other. Cheers = !!!



On May = 14, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

yes, definitely. But maybe try it with the demo first before = you purchase. But it is extremely intuitive (despite a few small = quirks). An hour's worth of tuts and maybe 20 minutes of setup and this = would be done. Not to mention a tax write off. And a crazy fun sandbox = toy...

As for the robot - even that could be = completely managed by newton physics - as newton 2.0 has a pretty rad = magnetics engine, and very robust constraint, pulley and joints systems. = They also have excellent support and tutorials. And I'm always happy to = answer questions. 
-TG


On Wed, May 14, = 2014 at 4:49 PM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
I need to = create a 25 second animation of a conveyor belt with objects being = carried along and falling off the end and pilling up on the floor. At = first thought it sounds like a job for Newton. It would be easy enough = to hand animate the movement along the belt, but getting realistic - or = more correctly believable and attractive - motion as the objects pile up = would be very time consuming.

My question is, for = someone who has zero experience with Newton, would the time spent to = download, install, learn and produce something be a wash against just = doing it by hand once all is said and done. I would need to control = certain aspects, as the occasional object is picked up by an operator = and place into a box, therefore would not be managed by Newtons = physics.

Any ideas if this is a path I want to = go down. I have to complete this = tonight.

cheers

= Adam Mercado
Influxx Media = Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving = Images. For Business
714=B0928=B09896
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