From: "Ian Barbour" Received: from nm46-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([216.109.115.108] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5489275 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 29 May 2014 13:23:00 +0200 Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2014 11:22:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.208] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2014 11:22:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2014 11:22:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 769378.90413.bm@omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4366 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2014 11:22:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1401362578; bh=Gx3YDW32Ew8XUky0LKdo4NtxP7NtX5DpkXaX0rMYQTQ=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uGPkdvIrGCmr0cpDCHhkpunfL37vvYSqjCHtC/Dqm5bmpT99i7boMwpRiDP9nevImD+WchoKTB20GFr8KQRidKMoNbRJjRw5UATd93DJTyZM6Ncm0B7V9agqY1jEf/cmnmG31k2PnDNr3WePa4DYtxS0exhAJivLk7GdMBc4kHk= X-YMail-OSG: rMnvHogVM1n5KMz2X5AkcxRFf5VDBFcpiosDxhXtpgCdBeg IH8_pvHs1xT1EI9Or8vvS5HpL7Ns1mN5PGktmQWavDLO2EVH2DylUIO_.U0V nUZOBeBeW_rzL9wxxLEXjSjoNEVRw7q3WN1o3tvYMOAWsXhIi3ihKpUcwYKG MZ6aUBCi5f6xxbO5XqzOL0c_KelUI2P4vQyNUbgIcJW_lSZlLiYCY.mrAjZK AnY0HICQkbosTgIXL2caMHsUSjxE7zX.zQviuiN1q2wcPESHkEClWaLoRS6Z QyiJlCLzCJ1jrvy_.KJX90ijYSvNybjNJRhDnFtTdc1xLQb8I5c6lxNlqCgH XDG0cziRtXEcmvkP2nHRPgMnT_e3khhJHIt0rjnN0JTtmEqzco2rBYWpQCyX tXaN.tUx9SO3yph98_y2xHZjExlD3yS0xW9JNl0IO5bQO5HkN8_xkY78MWwk 5ssfCvrRzpeNWa81rEkeTSdwxWBPH3Z1aS4dcxcmpIKbx947MMAL0VLMR_A3 D21jAVyTEAM2ndi6dkvUBs3deEVe2myCmb35vcSo79mx.heyspIQ4zSDwiOG h1xedsz2egvQG6fg_Qg8aZs0bzy7L87nyvuikKKIiVe2nobqww5jPDklI9RX ghhr7fACGAcOp_EI3t1BCPfm10Ly0F1cu0XUTBfulTFSYKK9ADGwouYvtOyn yUwwNur9uOYQ- Received: from [67.100.110.41] by web141201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2014 04:22:58 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,ClN0ZXZlLCAKCgpUaGVyZSBpcyBhIGRvbWFpbiBkaXNwdXRlIHJlc29sdXRpb24gc2VydmljZSB2aWEgSW50ZXJOSUMuIFRlY2huaWNhbGx5LCBpdCBkb2Vzbid0IGNvdmVyIHBlcnNvbmFsIG5hbWVzIHVubGVzcyB0aGV5IGFyZSB0cmFkZW1hcmtzLCBidXQgZ2l2ZW4gaG93IGxvbmcgeW91J3ZlIGJlZW4gdXNpbmcgdGhlIGRvbWFpbiwgaXQncyBsaWtlbHkgdG8gYmUgY29uc2lkZXJlZCBvbmUgSSB3b3VsZCB0aGluay4gT2YgY291cnNlLCBhIGNvbnZlcnNhdGlvbiB3aXRoIGFuIGF0dG9ybmV5IHdpdGggZXgBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.188.663 References: Message-ID: <1401362578.96737.YahooMailNeo@web141201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 04:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Ian Barbour Subject: Re: [AE] new email address, steveoakley.net domain being held hostage To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1105474026-1714952408-1401362578=:96737" --1105474026-1714952408-1401362578=:96737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0ASteve, =0A=0A=0AThere is a domain dispute resolution service via InterNI= C. Technically, it doesn't cover personal names unless they are trademarks,= but given how long you've been using the domain, it's likely to be conside= red one I would think. Of course, a conversation with an attorney with expe= rience in the area would also be helpful (from my experience, they'll at le= ast speak with you once just to see if it worth everyone's time). Check it = out here: http://www.internic.net/faqs/udrp.html. Good luck!=0A=0A- Ian=0A= =0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Steve Oakley =0A>To: After Effects Mail List = =0A>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:24 PM=0A>Subject: [AE] new email address,= steveoakley.net domain being held hostage=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>If any of you ha= ve sent me email to my 12 year old email address steveo@practicali.com over= the last 2 weeks, I never got it. I nearly missed a day of work this week = over the problem. please use my new email address steveo@practicalillusions= .com and remove the old one.=0A>=0A>=0A>now let me explain why and whats go= ing on :=0A>=0A>=0A>my ex business partner ( whom you may of met @ MMB ) we= nt and registered some of my domains against my wishes as a "favor" a coupl= e years ago. It was all well and good while things where running ok. for ma= ny years they where ok. about six months ago when I decided some changes ha= d to happen. Initially those changes where simply to cut office expenses ne= arly in 1/2 which was good.=0A>=0A>=0A>Eventually a few months ago it becam= e apparent that the best thing to do was to part company. I did the office = move out for many reasons including perhaps the most basic : it was costing= me money, =A0not making me money ! never mind the office environment simpl= y wasn't good for my mental health or doing quality work. It was also a ref= lection of the very changing nature of where my work is going, quite litera= lly all over the state. Its lots of location work doing shooting / sound / = lighting. editing clients were all working remotely with web previews / FTP= / webex / iChat ect and just not coming into the office. why should they w= hen there are more convenient ways of working ? =A0Needless to say my "ex" = didn't take things so well, especially over the last month or so when I mov= ed out of the office and decided I no longer wanted to work a business toge= ther. I had been back and forth on that right up until I finally told him. = I did in fact do right by the landlord properly breaking my part of the lease, paid a penalty, I was out= on time , new tenant took my space the next day, and we are all ok.=0A>=0A= >At this point my domains are being held hostage by him. I was hoping they = would be transferred over to me in the last week or so, but that has not ha= ppened. this was just part of some things to finish up to be clear of each = other. these were pretty simple / easy things. =A0I took care of everything= I needed to, but he has failed to take care of his end. I have handled thi= s on a most professional, mature, legal, financial, personally responsible = way for all parties involved. he simply has not. my real divorce went easy,= we ( my ex wife ) are even on good speaking terms. Not so here unfortunate= ly.=0A>=0A>=0A>I have several options, none of them fast or cheap to get ba= ck my domains. Yes eventually I can recover those costs but it could turn i= nto a 1-2 year process. I'm hoping that one process I've started will come = thru over the next day or two and get things right, we'll see.=0A>=0A>=0A>W= hy post my "dirty laundry" publicly ?=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>my own person self pres= ervation first off all - if any one got some weird email from my old email = account over the last 2 weeks, it really _wasn't_ me !=0A>=0A>=0A>second my= reputation which I value the most. I hate rumors and wanted to dispel any = that might of been floating out there.=0A>=0A>=0A>third as a reminder that = even the best of intentions may go bad. you should always, no matter what, = have a CYA plan in place... like backup domain name, backup email accounts = ( I had 2 which are secure ) and not allow business situations / arrangemen= ts that can bite you in the end. a business continuity plan should also be = in place to cover those major what-if situations.=0A>=0A>=0A>--------=0A>= =0A>=0A>I'm truly not interested anything except getting my domains back, h= aving my content removed from a site he controls and having this over with = ASAP.=0A>=0A>=0A>I don't wish my 'ex' ill will but that he learn from this = to be a better person better able to handle situations that aren't always e= asy with grace and respect.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>S=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> --1105474026-1714952408-1401362578=:96737 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steve,

There is a domain dispute resolution servi= ce via InterNIC. Technically, it doesn't cover personal names unless they a= re trademarks, but given how long you've been using the domain, it's likely= to be considered one I would think. Of course, a conversation with an attorney with experience in the a= rea would also be helpful (from my experience, they'll at least speak with = you once just to see if it worth everyone's time). Check it out here: http://= www.internic.net/faqs/udrp.html. Good luck!

- Ian

<= hr style=3D"" class=3D"" size=3D"1"> From: Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv><= br style=3D"" class=3D""> To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@= media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27= , 2014 5:24 PM
Subject: [AE] new email address, steveoakley.net domain being held hostage

If any of you have sent me email to my 12 year= old email address steveo@practicali.com over the last 2 weeks, I never got it. I = nearly missed a day of work this week over the problem. please use my new e= mail address steveo@practicalillusions.com and remove the old one.

now let me explain why and wh= ats going on :

my ex business partner ( whom = you may of met @ MMB ) went and registered some of my domains against my wi= shes as a "favor" a couple years ago. It was all well and good while things= where running ok. for many years they where ok. about six months ago when = I decided some changes had to happen. Initially those changes where simply = to cut office expenses nearly in 1/2 which was good.

Eventu= ally a few months ago it became apparent that the best thing to do was to p= art company. I did the office move out for many reasons including perhaps t= he most basic : it was costing me money,  not making me money ! never = mind the office environment simply wasn't good for my mental health or doin= g quality work. It was also a reflection of the very changing nature of whe= re my work is going, quite literally all over the state. Its lots of locati= on work doing shooting / sound / lighting. editing clients were all working remote= ly with web previews / FTP / webex / iChat ect and just not coming into the= office. why should they when there are more convenient ways of working ? &= nbsp;Needless to say my "ex" didn't take things so well, especially over th= e last month or so when I moved out of the office and decided I no longer w= anted to work a business together. I had been back and forth on that right = up until I finally told him. I did in fact do right by the landlord properl= y breaking my part of the lease, paid a penalty, I was out on time , new te= nant took my space the next day, and we are all ok.

At this point my domains are being= held hostage by him. I was hoping they would be transferred over to me in = the last week or so, but that has not happened. this was just part of some = things to finish up to be clear of each other. these were pretty simple / easy things.  I took care of everything I needed to, but he has faile= d to take care of his end. I have handled this on a most professional, matu= re, legal, financial, personally responsible way for all parties involved. = he simply has not. my real divorce went easy, we ( my ex wife ) are even on= good speaking terms. Not so here unfortunately.
=
I have several options, none of them fast or cheap to get back m= y domains. Yes eventually I can recover those costs but it could turn into = a 1-2 year process. I'm hoping that one process I've started will come thru= over the next day or two and get things right, we'll see.

Why post my "dirty laundry" publicly ? 

my own person= self preservation first off all - if any one got some weird email from my old email account over the last 2 = weeks, it really _wasn't_ me !

second my reputation which I= value the most. I hate rumors and wanted to dispel any that might of been = floating out there.

third as a reminder that even the best = of intentions may go bad. you should always, no matter what, have a CYA pla= n in place... like backup domain name, backup email accounts ( I had 2 whic= h are secure ) and not allow business situations / arrangements that can bi= te you in the end. a business continuity plan should also be in place to co= ver those major what-if situations.

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I'm truly not interested anything except getting my domains back, having my content removed from a site he c= ontrols and having this over with ASAP.
I don't wish my 'ex= ' ill will but that he learn from this to be a better person better able to= handle situations that aren't always easy with grace and respect. 


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