From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-qg0-f45.google.com ([209.85.192.45] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5494760 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 19:30:19 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id z60so5104944qgd.32 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=B5+EAgF6LPoAfui0cklmlSca2qCSotQUQHXBtlvWgEY=; b=U2QlxuyTlXpp17bnz0balFB94wkOLTPmejGeixUAm3o29fuUx8am4NmmQzlWESAq7v GiOCtJIcsrLBnZp5+LHT511LhGnyMm0jKUNI4917y1IoBh7xiNVwa6f4BvUSdJJehwMi K3K5QtGytzQKkWNI0OW8+1mqJ4scuahJ0fA6H7Dx1ZuUjnpbtQYhJQ3GSYvy8l39T4k4 s9Dtmog0oAB5ew8ZyxdAylrlZfyYUvOHurM8pRs5V9P/nEEv54zQ3xWUE66cFFlSt67o 9Qgiwr2lWNuLiRvbJBKj1cL5gf8nbw674ouymS5tOnHoav4suUa23A1rRuam1VFFmmdk +cfA== X-Received: by 10.224.92.75 with SMTP id q11mr9321125qam.15.1402075817530; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.76.134 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:29:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:29:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Alternative to layered .psd import? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493f100d5dbc04fb2e37f6 --089e01493f100d5dbc04fb2e37f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow. I've heard your complaints before but not the specifics. I hate to say it, but have you considered other software? Like maybe a NukeX rental? It is far more robust for those kinds of extreme project workflow demands. Its capabilities may even offset the hourly costs (and medical bills from stress). Of course, that doesn't include the training you'd need or cost of hiring someone... -TG On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > The short answer is no =E2=80=93 layered Photoshop is it. When that fail= s, you > have to manually mimic this with single TIFF file exports of layers from > Photoshop and rebuild and layer in AE. > > > > This is a huge failing and the number one frustration of AE (for me, > obviously not that many people are trying to photoanimation with gigapixe= l > images) - and frankly, I=E2=80=99ve given up on feature request and bug = reports. > > > > My film=E2=80=99s workflow depends on this and I have huge 2 to 50 GB Pho= toshop > files with layers to bring in. Obviously, all sorts of problems from > performance (lots of RAM per thread and SSD cache helps somewhat to ease > the pain) and the fact AE does not import PSB files. > > > And even if it did, the damn frame buffer, long may I curse its name, > means I have to tile everything (manually as no one has ever managed to > write a script to do this) manually and reassemble. > > > > Right now I have 6 GB layer PSB file that I have tile 8 layers, reassembl= e > and re blend mode in AE just to get around AE=E2=80=99s limitations. I la= y awake in > bed at night dreaming of just be able to import a file without two to thr= ee > days of work. > > > > Of course, I do realize it=E2=80=99s not a common workflow, but I=E2=80= =99m still amazed > that in a 4K/8K world, the core engine for processing large bitmap layers > - frame buffer, Photoshop Engine, PSB support =E2=80=93 it basically stu= ck at CS5. > Evidently beyond me, no one else really must complain/feature request/bug > report this. > > > > On the flipside, if it were easy, then I might have more competition in > the 6K/8K space photoanimation film biz J > > > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777 > > > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ * > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/ * > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/ * > > > > *A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fic= tion. It should > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind = the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =E2=80=93*Stanley Kubrick* > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] > *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 12:49 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* [AE] Alternative to layered .psd import? > > > > Bringing up a point from Roei's thread - I'm currently working on a > project importing lots of layered drawings from artrage 4. I export them > from artrage as .psd's and can import them ok, but the performance overhe= ad > of multiple layered .psds isn't great. Are there any other files that can > be imported to AE with layers as a composition? Why doesn't AE support > layered .tifs? I tried converting them in photoshop but no luck. It seems > like a no brainer, as the performance demands of layered .psds are pretty > high. I just want a basic, layered high quality image file to work with, > that doesn't need its own rendering translation engine per layer. That > being said is there any advice or alternative from folks who routinely wo= rk > with lots of .psds? > -- > > _____________________________ > > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com > --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --089e01493f100d5dbc04fb2e37f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow. I've heard your complaints before but not the spe= cifics. I hate to say it, but have you considered other software? Like mayb= e a NukeX rental? It is far more robust for those kinds of extreme project = workflow demands. Its capabilities may even offset the hourly costs (and me= dical bills from stress). Of course, that doesn't include the training = you'd need or cost of hiring someone...
-TG


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <= AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:

The short answer is no = =E2=80=93 layered Photoshop is it. When that fails, you have to manually mi= mic this with single TIFF file exports of layers from Photoshop and rebuild and layer in AE.

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This is a huge failing an= d the number one frustration of AE (for me, obviously not that many people = are trying to photoanimation with gigapixel images) - =C2=A0and frankly, I=E2=80=99ve given up on feature request and bug reports.<= u>

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My film=E2=80=99s workflo= w depends on this and I have huge 2 to 50 GB Photoshop files with layers to= bring in. Obviously, all sorts of problems from performance (lots of RAM per thread and SSD cache helps somewhat to ease the pain) and the f= act AE does not import PSB files.


And even if it did, the damn frame buffer, long may I curse its name, means= I have to tile everything (manually as no one has ever managed to write a = script to do this) manually and reassemble.

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Right now I have 6 GB lay= er PSB file that I have tile 8 layers, reassemble and re blend mode in AE j= ust to get around AE=E2=80=99s limitations. I lay awake in bed at night dreaming of just be able to import a file without two to three days = of work.

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Of course, I do realize i= t=E2=80=99s not a common workflow, but I=E2=80=99m still amazed that in a 4= K/8K world, the core engine for processing large bitmap layers -=C2=A0 fram= e buffer, Photoshop Engine, PSB support =E2=80=93 it basically stuck at CS5.= Evidently beyond me, no one else really must complain/feature request/bug = report this.

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On the flipside, if it we= re easy, then I might have more competition in the 6K/8K space photoanimati= on film biz J

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stephen van vuuren<= /u>

336.202.4777=

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http://ww= w.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp= .com/

http://www= .sv2studios.com/

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A film is =E2=80=93 or= should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a prog= ression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion= , the meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubri= ck

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From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:49 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: [AE] Alternative to layered .psd import?

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Bringing up a point from Roei's thread - I'm= currently working on a project importing lots of layered drawings from art= rage 4. I export them from artrage as .psd's and can import them ok, bu= t the performance overhead of multiple layered .psds isn't great. Are there any other files that can be imported to A= E with layers as a composition? Why doesn't AE support layered .tifs? I= tried converting them in photoshop but no luck. It seems like a no brainer= , as the performance demands of layered .psds are pretty high. I just want a basic, layered high quality image fil= e to work with, that doesn't need its own rendering translation engine = per layer. That being said is there any advice or alternative from folks wh= o routinely work with lots of .psds?=C2=A0
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