From: "Trish Meyer (Lists)" Received: from cri.crishdesign.com ([198.57.142.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5497349 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 02:16:37 +0200 Received: from 97-123-24-175.albq.qwest.net ([97.123.24.175]:59266 helo=[192.168.0.10]) by cri.crishdesign.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WtnGN-0006qw-S7 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:16:36 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F11BFE59-7028-4183-8D66-A54167BBA77B" Message-Id: <36037EF5-7A9E-456A-8765-DF9F65E205CF@crishdesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Layered Graphics Smart Import - Feature request idea Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:16:34 -0600 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cri.crishdesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cri.crishdesign.com: authenticated_id: trish_lists@crishdesign.com --Apple-Mail=_F11BFE59-7028-4183-8D66-A54167BBA77B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As it happens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering = Order that focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different = in 2D vs 3D as well as Illustrator vs. precomps) It always sounds so boring as a description, but a good understanding of = the render order is the key to getting work done without pulling your = hair out.=20 I just proposed teaching it for After Effects World in Seattle this = Sept, so stay tuned on that. And I do have plans to turn it into a = lynda.com course this fall.=20 Trish On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref = wrote: > thanks Teddy. I did a whole lesson about this confusing sunbrust = switch and the by products of changing the render order > and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial (which would be = my first), > seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the = whole picture as I see it in one go. > so I need to get around to it and you guys of course will be the first = to know and critique. >=20 > these are the resources I know about: >=20 > VIDEO: After Effects Render Order Issues by Chris and Trish Meyer > CMG Hidden Gems: Chapter 20 - Collapsing Transformations by Chris and = Trish Meyer=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAr9S1U-ATEU - Render=20 > = http://ae.tutsplus.com/tutorials/workflow/the-naked-truth-about-collapse-t= ransformations/?search_index=3D1 > Understanding The Render Order In After Effects >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > Actually, I would love to see that. > -TG >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei Tzoref = wrote: > thanks for letting me know about the script. >=20 > about the breakdown - this year I started teaching AE in design = school. learned so much by teaching since I wanted to be prepared > for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd -> = Ae Workflows and Scenarios.=20 > if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't work!, its = broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get nervous trying = to figure out what the hell happened. > also you learn a lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I = learned about how to stay on the right path in many situations.=20 >=20 > if you liked that , you will be amazed about the breakdown I did for = collapse transformations ;) >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen = wrote: > Ah yeah - the script I use (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for = all nested as well in case that helps.=20 >=20 > Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog box.=20 >=20 > Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double dialog box = works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped the first = one.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------- > Jayse Hansen > www.jayse.tv > jayse@jayse.tv > 702-321-3449 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Roei Tzoref = wrote: > thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but still there's the = frame rate problem (and for every precomp). > so for now you just have to pay close attention on import to see if = you have enough duration and on current frame rate. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen = wrote: > You are right! >=20 > I hate that too.=20 >=20 > There's some ae scripts that can fix it and the nested precomps plus = layers etc. without too much hassle - but still - you shouldn't have to.=20= >=20 > Good request! >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------- > Jayse Hansen > www.jayse.tv > jayse@jayse.tv > 702-321-3449 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei Tzoref = wrote: > hey guys, >=20 > I have been thinking about it for some time now and before I send a = formal feature request > I wanted to pass this through you to check if I was missing something = here. >=20 > does it seem to you also that AE's import dialog box on a layered = Photoshop/illustrator > should contain a field in which you could specify the duration and = frame rate > for a layered Psd or Ai file before AE actually made a composition? >=20 > AE gives you the last duration and frame rate used which is in my = opinion > a high potential for a lot of trouble if you're not careful. >=20 > too often I get fooled by that one. and of course the problem depends=20= > on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool you > if you change them occasionally. >=20 > If I was aware before hand, what I do is create a blank composition, = with > the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. but = too often > I've already started and now I see got tons of pre-comps to extend.=20 > (I can also re import after making blank composition but its = cumbersome) >=20 >=20 >=20 > what do you guys think? >=20 > am I right or am I right? > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com >=20 __________________________ Trish & Chris Meyer | Crish Design http://www.crishdesign.com Email: trish_lists@crishdesign.com --Apple-Mail=_F11BFE59-7028-4183-8D66-A54167BBA77B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii As it = happens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering Order = that focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different in 2D = vs 3D as well as Illustrator vs. precomps)

It always = sounds so boring as a description, but a good understanding of the = render order is the key to getting work done without pulling your hair = out. 

I just proposed teaching it for = After Effects World in Seattle this Sept, so stay tuned on that. And I = do have plans to turn it into a lynda.com= course this = fall. 

Trish

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On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

thanks Teddy. I did a whole lesson about = this confusing sunbrust switch and the by products of changing the = render order
and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial = (which would be my first),
seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the whole = picture as I see it in one go.
so I need to get around to it = and you guys of course will be the first to know and = critique.

these are the resources I know = about:





On Fri, Jun 6, = 2014 at 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Actually, I would love to see that.
-TG


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei = Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks = for letting me know about the script.

about the = breakdown - this year I started teaching AE in design school. learned so = much by teaching since I wanted to be prepared
for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd = -> Ae Workflows and Scenarios. 
if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't work!, = its broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get nervous = trying to figure out what the hell happened.
also you learn a = lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I learned about how to = stay on the right path in many situations. 

if you liked that , you will be amazed about = the breakdown I did for collapse transformations ;)


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Ah = yeah - the script I use (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for all = nested as well in case that helps. 

Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog = box. 

Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double = dialog box works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped = the first one. 



------------------------------= --
Jayse = Hansen



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at = 9:04 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but = still there's the frame rate problem (and for every precomp).
so for = now you just have to pay close attention on import to see if you have = enough duration and on current frame rate.


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
You = are right!

I hate that = too. 

There's some ae scripts that can fix = it and the nested precomps plus layers etc. without too much hassle - = but still - you shouldn't have to. 

Good = request!



------------------------------= --
Jayse Hansen
jayse@jayse.tv



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei = Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:
hey guys,

I have been thinking about it = for some time now and before I send a formal feature request
I = wanted to pass this through you to check if I was missing something = here.

does it seem to you also that AE's import dialog = box on a layered Photoshop/illustrator
should contain a = field in which you could specify the duration and frame = rate
for a layered Psd or Ai file before AE = actually made a composition?

AE gives you the last duration and frame rate = used which is in my opinion
a high potential for a lot of = trouble if you're not careful.

too often = I get fooled by that one. and of course the problem depends 
on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool = you
if you change them = occasionally.

If I was aware before hand, what = I do is create a blank composition, with
the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. = but too often
I've already started and now I see got tons of = pre-comps to extend. 
(I can also re import after making = blank composition but its cumbersome)



what do you guys = think?

am I right or am I = right?
 







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VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com

http://www.crishdesign.com





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