From: "Roei Tzoref" Received: from mail-qg0-f42.google.com ([209.85.192.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5497366 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 03:34:04 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id q107so8414471qgd.1 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bOR44Gjd8LzV1qcM8kv5qZK9maviCPGgAuGc2XVDCoc=; b=T2qfXltuOV+ZXCIeWl2lw4LyZ2HSdxFyIh8r7ceHXg8PtHqKBXQ1KTNQC2eZU4Qt8M axavjgwEYDEeRin0au/o/AgfwZ7zczIAjVXPSRTyRMS3Gp5KPlRWeuv6JEhZQWsmnjPu k5tUjdotFEvPQNQILFGoIhHPUuotn9j9mDQcXPxzXwRktrDZzRwavhfAtLry+edJRXwH g6Mx1jh2RIUxG9xO0/6TwRdTlDOvk80cnKeXU5WWvchXNLb4U11AcDZTosoYqEAmEa83 jNOjmDs71RgUd3QxXYJ9WDP5qMjjCLcT2P0DdDO/A0Y8HjI2f04nFdWI5c/eDPzQVjmH qHnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.88.241 with SMTP id t104mr27105214qgd.29.1402277642754; Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.42.198 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 04:34:02 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Layered Graphics Smart Import - Feature request idea To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c135ecc660b604fb5d34dd --001a11c135ecc660b604fb5d34dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 thanks for the heads up Trish. I will be looking forward for anything you and Chris are up to on Lynda. your lynda courses and CMG book are a an essential resource for knowledge and under the hood insights which have helped me so much in the past year. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Trish Meyer (Lists) wrote: > As it happens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering > Order that focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different in > 2D vs 3D as well as Illustrator vs. precomps) > > It always sounds so boring as a description, but a good understanding of > the render order is the key to getting work done without pulling your hair > out. > > I just proposed teaching it for After Effects World in Seattle this Sept, > so stay tuned on that. And I do have plans to turn it into a lynda.com > course this fall. > > Trish > > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref wrote: > > thanks Teddy. I did a whole lesson about this confusing sunbrust switch > and the by products of changing the render order > and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial (which would be my > first), > seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the whole > picture as I see it in one go. > so I need to get around to it and you guys of course will be the first to > know and critique. > > these are the resources I know about: > > > - VIDEO: After Effects Render Order Issues by Chris and Trish Meyer > > - CMG Hidden Gems: Chapter 20 - Collapsing Transformations by Chris > and Trish Meyer > > - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar9S1U-ATEU - Render > > - > > > http://ae.tutsplus.com/tutorials/workflow/the-naked-truth-about-collapse-transformations/?search_index=1 > - > > Understanding The Render Order In After Effects > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: > >> Actually, I would love to see that. >> -TG >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei Tzoref >> wrote: >> >>> thanks for letting me know about the script. >>> >>> about the breakdown - this year I started teaching AE in design school. >>> learned so much by teaching since I wanted to be prepared >>> for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd -> >>> Ae Workflows and Scenarios. >>> if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't work!, its >>> broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get nervous trying to >>> figure out what the hell happened. >>> also you learn a lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I >>> learned about how to stay on the right path in many situations. >>> >>> if you liked that , you will be amazed about the breakdown I did for >>> collapse transformations ;) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ah yeah - the script I use (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for >>>> all nested as well in case that helps. >>>> >>>> Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog box. >>>> >>>> Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double dialog box >>>> works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped the first >>>> one. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> Jayse Hansen >>>> www.jayse.tv >>>> jayse@jayse.tv >>>> 702-321-3449 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Roei Tzoref >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but still there's the >>>>> frame rate problem (and for every precomp). >>>>> so for now you just have to pay close attention on import to see if >>>>> you have enough duration and on current frame rate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You are right! >>>>>> >>>>>> I hate that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's some ae scripts that can fix it and the nested precomps plus >>>>>> layers etc. without too much hassle - but still - you shouldn't have to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good request! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>> Jayse Hansen >>>>>> www.jayse.tv >>>>>> jayse@jayse.tv >>>>>> 702-321-3449 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei Tzoref >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hey guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been thinking about it for some time now and before I send a >>>>>>> formal feature request >>>>>>> I wanted to pass this through you to check if I was missing >>>>>>> something here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> does it seem to you also that AE's import dialog box on a layered >>>>>>> Photoshop/illustrator >>>>>>> should contain a field in which you could specify the duration and >>>>>>> frame rate >>>>>>> for a layered Psd or Ai file *before* AE actually made a >>>>>>> composition? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AE gives you the last duration and frame rate used which is in my >>>>>>> opinion >>>>>>> a high potential for a lot of trouble if you're not careful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> too often I get fooled by that one. and of course the problem >>>>>>> depends >>>>>>> on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool you >>>>>>> if you change them occasionally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I was aware before hand, what I do is create a blank composition, >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. but >>>>>>> too often >>>>>>> I've already started and now I see got tons of pre-comps to extend. >>>>>>> (I can also re import after making blank composition but its >>>>>>> cumbersome) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what do you guys think? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> am I right or am I right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> > > > __________________________ > > Trish & Chris Meyer | Crish Design > http://www.crishdesign.com > > Email: trish_lists@crishdesign.com > > > > > --001a11c135ecc660b604fb5d34dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for the heads up Trish. I will be looking forward f= or anything you and Chris are up to on Lynda.

your lynda= courses and CMG book are a an essential resource for knowledge and under t= he hood insights which have helped me so much in the past year.=C2=A0


On Mon,= Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Trish Meyer (Lists) <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
As it ha= ppens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering Order th= at focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different in 2D vs 3D = as well as Illustrator vs. precomps)

It always sounds so boring as a description, but a good unde= rstanding of the render order is the key to getting work done without pulli= ng your hair out.=C2=A0

I just proposed teaching i= t for After Effects World in Seattle this Sept, so stay tuned on that. And = I do have plans to turn it into a lynda.com course this fall.=C2=A0

Trish


On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:

thanks Teddy. I did a whole = lesson about this confusing sunbrust switch and the by products of changing= the render order
and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial = (which would be my first),
seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the whole= picture as I see it in one go.
so I need to get around to it and= you guys of course will be the first to know and critique.

these are the resources I know about:





On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at = 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Actually, I would love to s= ee that.
-TG


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei Tzoref= <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks for letting me know = about the script.

about the breakdown - this year I star= ted teaching AE in design school. learned so much by teaching since I wante= d to be prepared
for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd -> A= e Workflows and Scenarios.=C2=A0
if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't= work!, its broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get n= ervous trying to figure out what the hell happened.
also you lear= n a lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I learned about how to = stay on the right path in many situations.=C2=A0

if you liked that , you will be amazed about the = breakdown I did for collapse transformations ;)


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
Ah yeah - the script I use = (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for all nested as well in case that = helps.=C2=A0

Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog= box.=C2=A0

Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double dialog b= ox works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped the first = one.=C2=A0



----= ----------------------------
Jayse Hansen



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 A= M, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but still t= here's the frame rate problem (and for every precomp).
so for now y= ou just have to pay close attention on import to see if you have enough dur= ation and on current frame rate.


On= Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:
You are right!

I hate that too.=C2=A0

There's some ae = scripts that can fix it and the nested precomps plus layers etc. without to= o much hassle - but still - you shouldn't have to.=C2=A0

Good request!


=



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei Tzo= ref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
hey guys,

I have been thinking about it for s= ome time now and before I send a formal feature request
I wanted = to pass this through you to check if I was missing something here.

does it seem to you also that AE's import=C2=A0dialog bo= x=C2=A0on a layered Photoshop/illustrator
should contain a field = in which you could specify the duration and frame rate
for a = layered Psd or Ai file=C2=A0before AE actually made a composition?

AE gives you the last duration and frame rate used= which is in my opinion
a high potential for a lot of trouble if = you're not careful.

too often I get fool= ed by that one. and of course the problem depends=C2=A0
on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool you<= /div>
if you change them occasionally.

If I wa= s aware before hand, what I do is create a blank composition, with
the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. but t= oo often
I've already started and now I see got tons of pre-c= omps to extend.=C2=A0
(I can also re import after making blank co= mposition but its cumbersome)



what do you guys think?

am I right or am I right?
=C2=A0







<= span>--
= _____________________________
= VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com


__________________________

Trish & Chris = Meyer | Crish Design






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