From: "Greg Balint" Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5498582 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:21:33 +0200 Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id i13so3123027qae.5 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5WbTWgf7xLCp5wAe19fDsutnwOkPhIsUslQaBqNGRyk=; b=QUZWCqJhhl5ziItVYOfxVxuMxfvx1YVmzWvo+EpO0JyWhL/PzeBmIF43RdrTomHYDS fmQkZ4c+Lrj1wT/U5NTcsHJ4ZA1TcJCtS7TXDTuDv6jtZAKYxSYTj1lCHxOTn15RriRe 7kbGBaT7UjqmBVeXvLuFn2oyyUddB4mCJ0T0LYW77b7j2n5xNEOnoKX3xCkhg/MBxDAI I4ueH+IbK21FZwGv3JC/K1OYFvCot7cfrrU+q23A8iG+Fqb4BbULQrlHMOo8aUJkwxNO EbKuut0nZ+UL1uEKP8kMan1cih4LdSCk0pxbvKsk+CdezWxMna6UfkYdcfAnfGEVcXPe WR5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.93.132 with SMTP id d4mr43172566qge.1.1402424491693; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.38.3 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.38.3 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:21:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premiere Pro 1920x1440 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113b9cdea6f02b04fb7f65ce --001a113b9cdea6f02b04fb7f65ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Aren't the smaller drones just considered similar to radio controlled model airplanes? Isn't there like a 200 foot civilian space that is free and clear of issues with the FAA being involved for a small radio controlled aircraft? All that aside. People get creeped out by them as well. Not only for safety concerns. I saw this video the other day. This kid got beat up by a woman because he was flying his drone around a beach. She told the cops he assaulted her and the only saving grace was this footage showing how much she did to him. He would have been in jail for assault if he hadn't been recording. Not Safe For Some People's Work (bad language) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=57e_1402206030 ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Jun 10, 2014 1:58 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" wrote: > Teddy, > > Yes, I can imagine problems in New York or any built up area for that > matter. I do use a bit of common sense. For example that light house. I > made like 3 trips there before I felt comfortable in shooting just because > of excessive people. I also don't flaunt it....sort of start out of the > way a bit, don't make a scene (no pun intended lo), launch, go high, come > down lower somewhere else. So, I can't imagine, thought I'd want to, > lifting off in times square. > > I live in a small rural area. That said, I don't want to purposely test > the law by launching right in front of a trooper or anything. :) So, I > keep a low profile - pun intended. ha. > > But check this guy out. He does tutorials and stuff but geez, he flies > over everything you can imagine! Just pluck through the timeline of this > video a little and you will see what I mean. Over beaches, people, pools, > etc. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tnQLPO-8TY > > Eric > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure it's against the law in NYC, period, although probably >> fine if I used it in a park and not the middle of the city. But the FAA >> doesn't mess around here, for obvious reasons. Now if only I had a project >> that justified one. Is the gopro able to stream live from the drone to an >> ipad / iphone, or is the distance too far? Basically, is there a live video >> preview from the drone or is it line of sight only? >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > > wrote: >> >>> Hell, I'd never get footage if I needed Faa approval. Lol. Truth is the >>> faa is not quite up to speed yet on how they will be handling the increased >>> use. Just saw a story this week in fact on news where, because of the >>> great desire of film makers they may not restrict drones up to 50 lbs and >>> reserve that for larger drones for commercial use. >>> >>> Eric >>> On Jun 9, 2014 4:58 PM, "Gordon" wrote: >>> >>>> I saw people walking under your drone. Did you have to get any local >>>> clearances with FAA? >>>> -g >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 12:47 PM, "Eric D. Kirk" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Teddy, >>>> >>>> Not at all. The rig which comes with a go pro gimble is about $959. >>>> Pretty steep and i pondered it for like 3 months. Well worth it. >>>> >>>> That's NOT counting the camera but i already had that. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>>> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >>>> The Night Visitor | VFX >>>> 443.206.1347 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On June 7, 2014 3:16:39 PM EDT, Teddy Gage >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> holy crap that looks like fun. Footage looks really clean. Mind me >>>>> asking what the DJI rig set you back? >>>>> -TG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here's some footage i took. >>>>>> >>>>>> Light House Aerial HdG Maryland: http://youtu.be/Zu8Kx4R5XJo >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014 1:56 PM, "Steve Oakley" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ProRes, photojpeg. could even do iframe h264 like AVCintra 200 but >>>>>>> why bother when you could edit native. gopro is limited to 8bits so >>>>>>> whatever works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> S >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Eric D. Kirk >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You, my friend just resolved it then. That's exactly what i was >>>>>>> doing. What alternative do you recommend? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>>>>>> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >>>>>>> The Night Visitor | VFX >>>>>>> 443.206.1347 >>>>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On June 7, 2014 11:02:50 AM EDT, Steve Oakley < >>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what codec are you rendering to ? if its DNxHD its limited to HD >>>>>>>> res only and will do exactly what you are describing - force your image >>>>>>>> into a 1920X1080 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> otherwise opening the PP TL directly into AE will do what you want >>>>>>>> w/o any hassle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for all this. Well, you just saved me a ton of f"ing! time >>>>>>>> with that copy paste! Son of a gun, I never knew you could do that. That >>>>>>>> of course resolves the short term issue of the 1440 thing, although I still >>>>>>>> wonder why, even with the settings indicating it is rendering 1920x1440 >>>>>>>> (literally while I render it directly, I see it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Understand the hits and this just eliminated one with the copy >>>>>>>> paste. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Roei Tzoref < >>>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ok >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you should try to minimize you going back and forth taking render >>>>>>>>> hits which can compromise quality and potentially waste of time and disk >>>>>>>>> space. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you can still work without dynamic link simply by copy-pasting >>>>>>>>> your sequence from Premiere to Ae - Try it. >>>>>>>>> either do that or just import the whole premiere project by using >>>>>>>>> file->import->adobe premiere project >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the difference between dynamic link is - it's not linked. these is >>>>>>>>> the actual editing with tails to each footage >>>>>>>>> so now you can do any thing from effects to color correction and >>>>>>>>> see the shots as you put them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on the downside -> dissolves and other premiere effects may not >>>>>>>>> make this transition smoothly >>>>>>>>> and maybe you will have to recreate them. but in my opinion a >>>>>>>>> small compromise. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> after you do all the effects you can render out a full quality >>>>>>>>> sequence through encoder or Ae to your Video editing software where you can >>>>>>>>> compile the final sound mix. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if its a heavy pipeline project usually I render out a low res >>>>>>>>> copy for a sound mix (where a specialist does the sound mix) and after I >>>>>>>>> get from the guy the final mix I put it back in >>>>>>>>> AE or Preimiere with a full quality video render underneath and >>>>>>>>> render it to whatever purpose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but that still did not help you with your issue which is you keep >>>>>>>>> getting 1920x1080 instead of 1440. >>>>>>>>> I am now not sure if that's a result of improper render settings >>>>>>>>> in AE or AME. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been having a great time with this new drone I have, the >>>>>>>>>>>> DJI Phantom 2 with my GoPro camera. I found right away that using the >>>>>>>>>>>> 1920x1440 is the best way to shoot because it gives you room to remove the >>>>>>>>>>>> propellers when they show. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is, I breing the footage in to a Premiere project >>>>>>>>>>>> which is set properly at 1920x1440. Then I look through it to see what I >>>>>>>>>>>> want to use and render that piece out to work in AE. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried numerous times to render out a clip at 1920x1440 and >>>>>>>>>>>> every single time, I bring it in to AE and it is 1920x1080. Somehow I got >>>>>>>>>>>> it right once but it's not working anymore. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I set the pixels, ensuring I unclick the perspective (chain >>>>>>>>>>>> link thing) so it accepts my settings and send to media encoder to render >>>>>>>>>>>> where I see the settings show correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>>>>>>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>>>>>>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>>>>>>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>>>>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>>>>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>>>>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _____________________________ >>>>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>>>> teddygage dot com >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> > > > > -- > *Eric D. 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Aren't the smaller drones just considered similar to rad= io controlled model airplanes? Isn't there like a 200 foot civilian spa= ce that is free and clear of issues with the FAA being involved for a small= radio controlled aircraft?

All that aside. People get creeped out by them as well. Not = only for safety concerns.

I saw this video the other day. This kid got beat up by a wo= man because he was flying his drone around a beach. She told the cops he as= saulted her and the only saving grace was this footage showing how much she= did to him. He would have been in jail for assault if he hadn't been r= ecording.

Not Safe For Some People's Work (bad language)
http://www.live= leak.com/view?i=3D57e_1402206030

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Jun 10, 2014 1:58 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <AE-List@media-motion.t= v> wrote:
Teddy,
=C2=A0
Yes, I can imagine = problems in New York or any built up area for that matter.=C2=A0 I do use a= bit of common sense.=C2=A0 For example that light house.=C2=A0 I made like= 3 trips there before I felt comfortable in shooting just because of excess= ive people.=C2=A0 I also don't flaunt it....sort of start out of the wa= y a bit, don't make a scene (no pun intended lo), launch, go high, come= down lower somewhere else.=C2=A0 So, I can't imagine, thought I'd = want to, lifting off in times square.
=C2=A0
I live in a small rural area.=C2=A0 That said, I don&= #39;t want to purposely test the law by launching right in front of a troop= er or anything. :)=C2=A0 So, I keep a low profile - pun intended. ha.
=
=C2=A0
But check this guy out.=C2=A0 He does tutorials and stuff but geez, he= flies over everything you can imagine!=C2=A0 Just pluck through the timeli= ne of this video a little and you will see what I mean.=C2=A0 Over beaches,= people, pools, etc.
=C2=A0

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
I'm pretty sure it'= s against the law in NYC, period, although probably fine if I used it in a = park and not the middle of the city. But the FAA doesn't mess around he= re, for obvious reasons. Now if only I had a project that justified one. Is= the gopro able to stream live from the drone to an ipad / iphone, or is th= e distance too far? Basically, is there a live video preview from the drone= or is it line of sight only?


On Mon, Jun 9= , 2014 at 5:06 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= wrote:

Hell, I'd never get footage if I needed= Faa approval.=C2=A0 Lol. Truth is the faa is not quite up to speed yet on = how they will be handling the increased use.=C2=A0 Just saw a story this we= ek in fact on news where, because of the great desire of film makers they m= ay not restrict drones up to 50 lbs and reserve that for larger drones for = commercial use.

Eric

On Jun 9, 2014 4:58 PM, "Gordon" <<= a href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv" target=3D"_blank">AE-List@media-m= otion.tv> wrote:
I saw people walking under your drone. =C2=A0Did you= have to get any local clearances with FAA?
-g

Sent from m= y iPad

On Jun 7, 2014, at 12:47 PM, "Eric D. Kirk" = <AE-List@me= dia-motion.tv> wrote:

Teddy,

Not at all. The rig which comes with a go pro gimble is about $959. Prett= y steep and i pondered it for like 3 months. Well worth it.

That's NOT counting the camera but i already had that.

Eric
Eric D. Kirk |=C2=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
443.2= 06.1347
www.kirkproduc= tions.com
kirkproducti= ons@gmail.com
IMDB:=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/

=C2=A0




On June 7, 2014 3:16:39 PM EDT, Teddy Ga= ge <AE-List= @media-motion.tv> wrote:
holy crap that looks like fun. Footage looks really clean.= Mind me asking what the DJI rig set you back?=C2=A0
-TG


On Sat, Jun 7, 2= 014 at 1:58 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Here's some footage i took.

Light House Aerial HdG Maryland: http://youtu.be/Zu8Kx4R5XJo

On Jun 7, 2014 1:56 PM, "Steve Oakley"= <AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv> wrote:
ProRes, photojpeg. could even do iframe= h264 like AVCintra 200 =C2=A0but why =C2=A0bother when you could edit nati= ve. gopro is limited to 8bits so whatever works.

S
=

On Jun 7, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:

Steve,

You, my friend just resolved it then. That's exactly what i was doing.= What alternative do you recommend?

Eric
Eric D. Kirk |=C2=A0Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
443.2= 06.1347
www.kirkprodu= ctions.com
kirkproducti= ons@gmail.com
IMDB:=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/

=C2=A0




On June 7, 2014 11:02:50 AM EDT, Steve O= akley <AE-L= ist@media-motion.tv> wrote:
what codec are you rendering to ? if its DNxHD its limited to HD res only a= nd will do exactly what you are describing - force your image into a 1920X1= 080

otherwise opening the PP TL directly into AE will do= what you want w/o any hassle

S

On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:42 AM, M= r. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Hey,

Thanks for all this. =C2=A0Well, y= ou just saved me a ton of f"ing! time with that copy paste! =C2=A0Son = of a gun, I never knew you could do that. =C2=A0That of course resolves the= short term issue of the 1440 thing, although I still wonder why, even with= the settings indicating it is rendering 1920x1440 (literally while I rende= r it directly, I see it).

Understand the hits and this just eliminated one with t= he copy paste.

Eric


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM,= Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
ok=C2=A0

yo= u should try to minimize you going back and forth taking render hits which = can compromise quality and potentially waste of time and disk space.

you can still work without dynamic link simply by copy-= pasting your sequence from Premiere to Ae - Try it.
either do that or just import the whole premiere project by using file= ->import->adobe premiere project

the differe= nce between dynamic link is - it's not linked. these is the actual edit= ing with tails to each footage=C2=A0
so now you can do any thing from effects to color correction and see t= he shots as you put them.

on the downside -> di= ssolves and other premiere effects may not make this transition smoothly
and maybe you will have to recreate them. but in my opinion a small co= mpromise.

after you do all the effects you can ren= der out a full quality sequence through encoder or Ae to your Video editing= software where you can compile the final sound mix.

if its a heavy pipeline project usually I render out a = low res copy for a sound mix (where a specialist does the sound mix) and af= ter I get from the guy the final mix I put it back in=C2=A0
AE or= Preimiere with a full quality video render underneath and render it to wha= tever purpose.

but that still did not help you with your issue which i= s you keep getting 1920x1080 instead of 1440.=C2=A0
I am now not = sure if that's a result of improper render settings in AE or AME.=C2=A0=

=




On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Mr. Eric= D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hey All,

I've been having a great t= ime with this new drone I have, the DJI Phantom 2 with my GoPro camera. =C2= =A0I found right away that using the 1920x1440 is the best way to shoot bec= ause it gives you room to remove the propellers when they show.

My problem is, I breing the footage in to a Premiere pr= oject which is set properly at 1920x1440. =C2=A0Then I look through it to s= ee what I want to use and render that piece out to work in AE.
I've tried numerous times to render out a clip at 1920x1440 = and every single time, I bring it in to AE and it is 1920x1080. =C2=A0Someh= ow I got it right once but it's not working anymore.

I set the pixels, ensuring I unclick the perspective (chain link thing= ) so it accepts my settings and send to media encoder to render where I see= the settings show correctly.

Any ideas on what I&= #39;m doing wrong?

Thanks,
Eric
<= br>
--
Eric D. Kirk |=C2=A0= Kirk Productions
Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=C2=A0




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Hidden i= n the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
=C2=A0




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H= idden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VF= X
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teddygage dot com


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