From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5499434 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:49:06 +0200 Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z6so250330yhz.14 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=7lXSfjr9aLfw2Ct55qq5MjImgxreh5pT7Ofk237htgc=; b=TUr12cVQbknMyoixLPPhdS3uwyPeCGtSAfFR68JdFSwaMB+M02aBzvOcezh5Uiaj1U NOe4sE+Zr637l9+bT+VkVMxg4TAq2B/lNdGyG5Ggysq+PPOX3a61GT25Abp8WNpqMg9G hg1xGGoAz90ASG2BuF6qPmuxiZU0/NVcnQgI4rqjBozbu/hvmui3yRnjQXBugri1M0kK tC+7pq6qsn6cL+4OcAMr6coOK0DDBs1IU/EqbeddbSFRfbVQNSfpyQHUlMW2Uh/NMNHF OBa+BRPlMpOusjA9WBDIrPlszF2tYjx4d0iUq49rkxXX42BNruoNOFUML+KUzrXtMSBT 5Gnw== X-Received: by 10.236.1.36 with SMTP id 24mr9044094yhc.45.1402519745547; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.76.134 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:48:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Layered Graphics Smart Import - Feature request idea To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133db9439545504fb9593e8 --001a1133db9439545504fb9593e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here's a question for you - say I have three layers side-by-side in a 3D flythrough scene. I want to group them together as a unit so they move together. I have two options: either I pre-compose them with "leave transforms in composition" grayed out, so that I have to turn on the collapse transforms button on the precomp to bring them back into the main comp's 3D space. Or, I have to precompose without the collapse transforms, turn on the precomp's 3D switch, then have to bring the precomp back to the correct coords manually. And if I do the former method, that precomp is itself a 2D comp, so I can't manipulate the layers together in 3D space. I have to go into the precomp and change the layer's z-position without any reference to the master scene. If I then proceed to turn the 3D switch back on for the collapsed precomp in the main comp, the coords are all messed up and anchor point is in the wrong place. I'm sure this is totally confusing but I don't know how to better explain it. Am I missing something? I think basically I'm wondering why the "leave transforms in current comp" button is unavailable when selecting and precomping multiple layers. Sometimes I just want to precomp as a method of grouping layers together instead of parenting, while leaving 3d axis controls and coords in the master comp. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Roei Tzoref wrote: > thanks for the heads up Trish. I will be looking forward for anything you > and Chris are up to on Lynda. > > your lynda courses and CMG book are a an essential resource for knowledge > and under the hood insights which have helped me so much in the past year. > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Trish Meyer (Lists) < > AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: > >> As it happens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering >> Order that focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different in >> 2D vs 3D as well as Illustrator vs. precomps) >> >> It always sounds so boring as a description, but a good understanding of >> the render order is the key to getting work done without pulling your hair >> out. >> >> I just proposed teaching it for After Effects World in Seattle this Sept, >> so stay tuned on that. And I do have plans to turn it into a lynda.com >> course this fall. >> >> Trish >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref wrote: >> >> thanks Teddy. I did a whole lesson about this confusing sunbrust switch >> and the by products of changing the render order >> and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial (which would be my >> first), >> seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the whole >> picture as I see it in one go. >> so I need to get around to it and you guys of course will be the first to >> know and critique. >> >> these are the resources I know about: >> >> >> - VIDEO: After Effects Render Order Issues by Chris and Trish Meyer >> >> - CMG Hidden Gems: Chapter 20 - Collapsing Transformations by Chris >> and Trish Meyer >> >> - >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar9S1U-ATEU - Render >> >> - >> >> >> http://ae.tutsplus.com/tutorials/workflow/the-naked-truth-about-collapse-transformations/?search_index=1 >> - >> >> Understanding The Render Order In After Effects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage >> wrote: >> >>> Actually, I would love to see that. >>> -TG >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei Tzoref >>> wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for letting me know about the script. >>>> >>>> about the breakdown - this year I started teaching AE in design school. >>>> learned so much by teaching since I wanted to be prepared >>>> for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd -> >>>> Ae Workflows and Scenarios. >>>> if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't work!, its >>>> broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get nervous trying to >>>> figure out what the hell happened. >>>> also you learn a lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I >>>> learned about how to stay on the right path in many situations. >>>> >>>> if you liked that , you will be amazed about the breakdown I did for >>>> collapse transformations ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah yeah - the script I use (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for >>>>> all nested as well in case that helps. >>>>> >>>>> Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog box. >>>>> >>>>> Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double dialog box >>>>> works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped the first >>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>> Jayse Hansen >>>>> www.jayse.tv >>>>> jayse@jayse.tv >>>>> 702-321-3449 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Roei Tzoref >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but still there's the >>>>>> frame rate problem (and for every precomp). >>>>>> so for now you just have to pay close attention on import to see if >>>>>> you have enough duration and on current frame rate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You are right! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate that too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's some ae scripts that can fix it and the nested precomps plus >>>>>>> layers etc. without too much hassle - but still - you shouldn't have to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good request! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------- >>>>>>> Jayse Hansen >>>>>>> www.jayse.tv >>>>>>> jayse@jayse.tv >>>>>>> 702-321-3449 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei Tzoref >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hey guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been thinking about it for some time now and before I send a >>>>>>>> formal feature request >>>>>>>> I wanted to pass this through you to check if I was missing >>>>>>>> something here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> does it seem to you also that AE's import dialog box on a layered >>>>>>>> Photoshop/illustrator >>>>>>>> should contain a field in which you could specify the duration and >>>>>>>> frame rate >>>>>>>> for a layered Psd or Ai file *before* AE actually made a >>>>>>>> composition? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AE gives you the last duration and frame rate used which is in my >>>>>>>> opinion >>>>>>>> a high potential for a lot of trouble if you're not careful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> too often I get fooled by that one. and of course the problem >>>>>>>> depends >>>>>>>> on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> if you change them occasionally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I was aware before hand, what I do is create a blank >>>>>>>> composition, with >>>>>>>> the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. >>>>>>>> but too often >>>>>>>> I've already started and now I see got tons of pre-comps to extend. >>>>>>>> (I can also re import after making blank composition but its >>>>>>>> cumbersome) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what do you guys think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> am I right or am I right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>> >> >> >> __________________________ >> >> Trish & Chris Meyer | Crish Design >> http://www.crishdesign.com >> >> Email: trish_lists@crishdesign.com >> >> >> >> >> > -- _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --001a1133db9439545504fb9593e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a question for you - say I have three layers si= de-by-side in a 3D flythrough scene. I want to group them together as a uni= t so they move together. I have two options: either I pre-compose them with= "leave transforms in composition" grayed out, so that I have to = turn on the collapse transforms button on the precomp to bring them back in= to the main comp's 3D space. Or, I have to precompose without the colla= pse transforms, turn on the precomp's 3D switch, then have to bring the= precomp back to the correct coords manually. And if I do the former method= , that precomp is itself a 2D comp, so I can't manipulate the layers to= gether in 3D space. I have to go into the precomp and change the layer'= s z-position without any reference to the master scene. If I then proceed t= o turn the 3D switch back on for the collapsed precomp in the main comp, th= e coords are all messed up and anchor point is in the wrong place. I'm = sure this is totally confusing but I don't know how to better explain i= t.

Am I missing something? I think basically I'm wondering = why the "leave transforms in current comp" button is unavailable = when selecting and precomping multiple layers. Sometimes I just want to pre= comp as a method of grouping layers together instead of parenting, while le= aving 3d axis controls and coords in the master comp.=C2=A0


On Sun,= Jun 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ; wrote:
thanks for the heads up Tri= sh. I will be looking forward for anything you and Chris are up to on Lynda= .

your lynda courses and CMG book are a an essential resource = for knowledge and under the hood insights which have helped me so much in t= he past year.=C2=A0

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Trish Meye= r (Lists) <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
As it ha= ppens, I've taught a course called Understanding the Rendering Order th= at focuses on the sunburst Collapse switch (which is different in 2D vs 3D = as well as Illustrator vs. precomps)

It always sounds so boring as a description, but a good unde= rstanding of the render order is the key to getting work done without pulli= ng your hair out.=C2=A0

I just proposed teaching i= t for After Effects World in Seattle this Sept, so stay tuned on that. And = I do have plans to turn it into a lynda.com course this fall.=C2=A0

Trish


=
On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:

thanks Teddy. I did a whole = lesson about this confusing sunbrust switch and the by products of changing= the render order
and now I really want to make it in a video tutorial = (which would be my first),
seems like there's bits and pieces of it on the net but never the whole= picture as I see it in one go.
so I need to get around to it and= you guys of course will be the first to know and critique.

these are the resources I know about:





On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at = 8:11 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Actually, I would love to s= ee that.
-TG


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Roei Tzoref= <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks for letting me know = about the script.

about the breakdown - this year I star= ted teaching AE in design school. learned so much by teaching since I wante= d to be prepared
for every contingency. basically did a breakdown for all the Ai/Psd -> A= e Workflows and Scenarios.=C2=A0
if I didn't, than one student would say "hey!, it doesn't= work!, its broken! theres a bug in my software" etc. etc, and I get n= ervous trying to figure out what the hell happened.
also you lear= n a lot from all the students ways of getting lost, I learned about how to = stay on the right path in many situations.=C2=A0

if you liked that , you will be amazed about the = breakdown I did for collapse transformations ;)


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:
Ah yeah - the script I use = (rd_compsetter) changes the frame rate for all nested as well in case that = helps.=C2=A0

Seems like it'd be an easy addition to the import dialog= box.=C2=A0

Really interesting breakdown you gave on how the double dialog b= ox works - never figured that out. I think I always just skipped the first = one.=C2=A0



----= ----------------------------
Jayse Hansen



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 A= M, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
thanks Jayse. I am aware scripts for duration, but still t= here's the frame rate problem (and for every precomp).
so for now y= ou just have to pay close attention on import to see if you have enough dur= ation and on current frame rate.


On= Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Jayse Hansen <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:
You are right!

I hate that too.=C2=A0

There's some ae = scripts that can fix it and the nested precomps plus layers etc. without to= o much hassle - but still - you shouldn't have to.=C2=A0

Good request!


=



On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Roei Tzo= ref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
hey guys,

I have been thinking about it for s= ome time now and before I send a formal feature request
I wanted = to pass this through you to check if I was missing something here.

does it seem to you also that AE's import=C2=A0dialog bo= x=C2=A0on a layered Photoshop/illustrator
should contain a field = in which you could specify the duration and frame rate
for a = layered Psd or Ai file=C2=A0before AE actually made a composition?

AE gives you the last duration and frame rate used= which is in my opinion
a high potential for a lot of trouble if = you're not careful.

too often I get fool= ed by that one. and of course the problem depends=C2=A0
on how many pre-comps are there, but the frame rate can also fool you<= /div>
if you change them occasionally.

If I wa= s aware before hand, what I do is create a blank composition, with
the proper duration and frame rate - and then I import the file. but t= oo often
I've already started and now I see got tons of pre-c= omps to extend.=C2=A0
(I can also re import after making blank co= mposition but its cumbersome)



what do you guys think?

am I right or am I right?
=C2=A0







<= span>--
= _____________________________
= VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com


__________________________

Trish & Chris = Meyer | Crish Design









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VFX & Motion Graphic Artist
teddygage dot com
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