From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-ve0-f181.google.com ([209.85.128.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5499504 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 00:30:43 +0200 Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id db11so934356veb.12 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=U/OdRIE9LVk9FZQ4oVAqnWfZteHArI/Qk6xmmcJOlps=; b=PZlKHe1CL3AY4MkGQJ+hDxssDYVpNAfPckOxGMJtwntpR/PDG+DVoaIMMmIsLyHyHv zoS/uwZl4Y7vrjSwLfZ10EXCpYZFXmQ0wSCntVPZdXO13qDONP/GQ0pSNjlSD08OOJHa YppN0buTB9cqNRzrl5SzN88wQntfBtHgW+BCv4Gt9sgKL66NiJu66jeXhMjbqs9JgWkf XytCwMV6vYvscBo3Em3S+Bh5wyP7pcRZsnUPkcU2DCOiLfua5r/R+dImzjGZU7Lu6Q46 /cd+SbD3XeHP1Q9Z3TLvmDq2BkPbBUd+dKx45goUJiGMFPKMZhcZcKU9zgXypqKlVIlL 3xDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmDH8ybUV+VHBtwsa8i9P50PZ2wrFIojOpSDOwaygHSa3iI7Tc/moiinQ/MolQ3ko+qW5Mm X-Received: by 10.58.56.71 with SMTP id y7mr2705223vep.24.1402525841439; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:30:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.150.167 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 00:30:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Lossless movie format To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a9b7491531c04fb96fec5 --047d7b3a9b7491531c04fb96fec5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here is a far out idea for this MOX format, i dont know if is possible in any way with a "simple" filetype in a regular filesystem... but.. do any of you guys remember the dps-velocity? It had a "Virtual Tape File System" that would have different folders for each file that the system automaticly generated images sequences for, not that they filled up more space, they was just generated when you clicked on a file. This Virtual Tape File System "VTFS" made it possible to just render a tga sequence into the tga folder and the movie file was updated. If you had a program that only read tiff, you grabbed the files from the tiff folder, or wrote to the tiff folder. heres an old pdf describing it briefly: http://cvp.com/pdf/dps_velocity.pdf We had one of these many many years ago, i didnt myself use it, but it seems like a quite nice idea (the VTFS part), that just never was updated to anything more recent. What im asking is not to have the virtual conversion of files of this, but would it be possible to have some way to access into the MOX container and see the file sequence of the movie, and be able to update only part of it, much like we do now with image sequences, but just it all is contained in the MOX wrapper? Could this be possible to have the MOX act as a virtual folder accessible from the filesystem? or is this just way too complex and maybe need support from the filesystem itself (as far as i know the dps-velocity had its own filesystm on its video drive) .... and another thing there might be an future codec option for MOX GrassValley has a DNxHD/ProRes/CineForm/Dirac(?) flavour of their own called HQX that is quite comparable in quality to those others, but is without many of the restictions of them, and they made it free for all recently. - Its free to read and write on both mac and windows - unresticted dimensions (unlike DNxHD) - alpha support - fully user controlled bitrate (but still 5 presets for easy use) - 10bit only (good!... but missing higher bit) - VBR (the CBR nature of DNxHD (and ProRes?) sometimes generates too large files for the content) unfortunately no 444 RGB sampling, but that is the only weakness apart from the low knowledge about it. more info here: http://www.grassvalley.com/products/hqx_codec i dont know how open Grass Valley is about OpenSource, but it might be an idea to hear them out on what their stance are in including the codec into MOX? great project this MOX, i wish you luck in the Kickstater Brendan - Robert 2014-06-11 22:56 GMT+02:00 Mike Abbott : > > On 11/06/2014 19:16, simhoff wrote: > > Mike Abbott sent me a nice looking logo. Maybe he'd like to share? > > I'd like to have a few options and then let the community voice their opinions, > like we did with the name. > > > > I've drafted a couple of additional ideas as well. I'll tidy them up and > get them ready for public review in the next day or so. just be gentle ;) > > > Mike > > --047d7b3a9b7491531c04fb96fec5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a far out idea for this MOX format, i dont know if= is possible in any way with a "simple" filetype in a regular fil= esystem... but.. do any of you guys remember the dps-velocity?

It had a "Virtual Tape File System" that would have differen= t folders for each file that the system automaticly generated images sequen= ces for, not that they filled up more space, they was just generated when y= ou clicked on a file. This Virtual Tape File System "VTFS" made i= t possible to just render a tga sequence into the tga folder and the movie = file was updated. If you had a program that only read tiff, you grabbed the= files from the tiff folder, or wrote to the tiff folder.
heres an old pdf describing it briefly:=C2=A0http://cvp.com/pdf/dps_velocity.pdf
We had one of these many many years ago, i didnt myself use it= , but it seems like a quite nice idea (the VTFS part), that just never was = updated to anything more recent.

What im asking is not to have the virtual conversion of= files of this, but would it be possible to have some way to access into th= e MOX container and see the file sequence of the movie, and be able to upda= te only part of it, much like we do now with image sequences, but just it a= ll is contained in the MOX wrapper? Could this be possible to have the MOX = act as a virtual folder accessible from the filesystem? or is this just way= too complex and maybe need support from the filesystem itself (as far as i= know the dps-velocity had its own filesystm on its video drive)



....
and an= other thing there might be an future codec option for MOX

GrassValley has a DNxHD/ProRes/CineForm/Dirac(?) flavour of their o= wn called HQX that is quite comparable in quality to those others, but is w= ithout many of the restictions of them, and they made it free for all recen= tly.

- Its free to read and write on both mac and windows
- unresticted dimensions (unlike DNxHD)
- alpha support
- fully user controlled bitrate (but still 5 presets for easy use)=
- 10bit only (good!... but missing higher bit)
- VBR (the CB= R nature of DNxHD (and ProRes?) sometimes generates too large files for the= content)

unfortunately no 444 RGB sampling, but t= hat is the only weakness apart from the low knowledge about it.


i dont know how open Grass Valley i= s about OpenSource, but it might be an idea to hear them out on what their = stance are in including the codec into MOX?=C2=A0


great project this MOX, i wish you luck = in the Kickstater Brendan


- Robert= =C2=A0





2014-06-11 22:56 GMT+02= :00 Mike Abbott <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
=20 =20 =20

On 11/06/2014 19:16, simhoff wrote:
Mike Abbott sent me a nice looking=
 logo.  Maybe he'd like to share?

I'd like to have a few options and then let the community voice their o=
pinions,=20
like we did with the name.


I've drafted a couple of additional ideas as well. I'll tidy th= em up and get them ready for public review in the next day or so. just be gentle ;)


Mike


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