From: "Allen Ellis" Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com ([209.85.128.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5499620 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:09:46 +0200 Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id db12so1060299veb.35 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qk5ddzk/ha9lcwPfJy2PanFXK6fCHveknVFumWsZxNY=; b=jB335bKSa2v+Kk49wJTXW5fEyin9kd3oZrDs6QzBaaH+7J21LfhCUWmix5i6o9vs++ 9Hd14FBP/4hnfmkh3VMhLx5XL0dKFnl63ANn/gHEDEdG+a3W2OmLqwMdS3O6mcxzu0aL LpooiI5/kzf+xJfHRlvueG46ZTWXmtvQ5NB9V16FdKS944x4Gf80iKvrrtXXj0IvLAcF cqSaXqAOK3uzGWiwuDg8L8iERJygZb2J1yrzX9HZGEfnQ9XxesKn2qLj0F1xHrGBzdaJ tfi7aI6uVCH9uv9jlkIs59KBQGxnnTrplbOjpAGsTEOmB7Ae3KR9CMaynN7FZnAYvqkS ElMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.53.12.229 with SMTP id et5mr5670585vdd.32.1402535384823; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.182.104 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.182.104 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:09:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Lossless movie format To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133fa5e65bda604fb9937fe --001a1133fa5e65bda604fb9937fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Along those lines, could it actually a .zip container? Just like how you can rename a word document to a .zip and see all of the contents. On Jun 11, 2014 7:19 PM, "Brendan Bolles" wrote: > On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > > > What im asking is not to have the virtual conversion of files of this, > but would it be possible to have some way to access into the MOX container > and see the file sequence of the movie, and be able to update only part of > it, much like we do now with image sequences, but just it all is contained > in the MOX wrapper? Could this be possible to have the MOX act as a virtual > folder accessible from the filesystem? or is this just way too complex and > maybe need support from the filesystem itself (as far as i know the > dps-velocity had its own filesystm on its video drive) > > Hey Robert, unfortunately I don't think the virtual folder thing is > possible without filesystem support. Most filesystems support hard links > where one file is actually pointing to another file, but as far as I know > it is always the whole file. There is no way to point to just a piece of a > larger file. > > On the Mac, you could use packaging to store an image sequence in a folder > and give it the appearance of a single file. That could be very nice, but > of course it wouldn't work cross-platform. > > > I think it may be possible to overwrite just one piece of a MOX. The MXF > container supports some level of cuts-based editing like you have in > QuickTime. I'll have to dive in there to see how feasible it is, and then > there's the problem of getting applications to actually support that > feature. > > > > GrassValley has a DNxHD/ProRes/CineForm/Dirac(?) flavour of their own > called HQX that is quite comparable in quality to those others, but is > without many of the restictions of them, and they made it free for all > recently. > > > Yes, I am aware of HQX and it seems like a really good codec. You can > download the codec for free, but it is not open source and I feel like > Grass Valley has no intention of making it so. Once we get this project > going, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask them though. > > > Brendan > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --001a1133fa5e65bda604fb9937fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Along those lines, could it actually a .zip container? Just = like how you can rename a word document to a .zip and see all of the conten= ts.

On Jun 11, 2014 7:19 PM, "Brendan Bolles&qu= ot; <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:
On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote:

> What im asking is not to have the virtual conversion of files of this,= but would it be possible to have some way to access into the MOX container= and see the file sequence of the movie, and be able to update only part of= it, much like we do now with image sequences, but just it all is contained= in the MOX wrapper? Could this be possible to have the MOX act as a virtua= l folder accessible from the filesystem? or is this just way too complex an= d maybe need support from the filesystem itself (as far as i know the dps-v= elocity had its own filesystm on its video drive)

Hey Robert, unfortunately I don't think the virtual folder thing is pos= sible without filesystem support. =C2=A0Most filesystems support hard links= where one file is actually pointing to another file, but as far as I know = it is always the whole file. =C2=A0There is no way to point to just a piece= of a larger file.

On the Mac, you could use packaging to store an image sequence in a folder = and give it the appearance of a single file. =C2=A0That could be very nice,= but of course it wouldn't work cross-platform.


I think it may be possible to overwrite just one piece of a MOX. =C2=A0The = MXF container supports some level of cuts-based editing like you have in Qu= ickTime. =C2=A0I'll have to dive in there to see how feasible it is, an= d then there's the problem of getting applications to actually support = that feature.


> GrassValley has a DNxHD/ProRes/CineForm/Dirac(?) flavour of their own = called HQX that is quite comparable in quality to those others, but is with= out many of the restictions of them, and they made it free for all recently= .


Yes, I am aware of HQX and it seems like a really good codec. =C2=A0You can= download the codec for free, but it is not open source and I feel like Gra= ss Valley has no intention of making it so. =C2=A0Once we get this project = going, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask them though.


Brendan


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