From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Received: from [207.46.163.236] (HELO na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5514222 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 07:20:51 +0200 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.15) by CO1PR06MB266.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.141.71.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.969.15; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 05:20:44 +0000 Received: from CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.30]) by CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.7.67]) with mapi id 15.00.0969.007; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 05:20:44 +0000 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: RE: [AE] Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2014 Thread-Topic: [AE] Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2014 Thread-Index: AQHPkoafySF3MBg66E2G5/f/QC/kQpuF+2Ng Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 05:20:43 +0000 Message-ID: <1648729073614ba48ea1d2012283af93@CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [174.98.16.74] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 0256C18696 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(199002)(189002)(24454002)(377454003)(15975445006)(76576001)(86362001)(106116001)(4396001)(19580405001)(83322001)(19580395003)(19609705001)(74316001)(15202345003)(77096002)(66066001)(80022001)(64706001)(85306003)(107046002)(92566001)(33646001)(106356001)(20776003)(19300405004)(107886001)(81542001)(16236675004)(19625215002)(31966008)(81342001)(74662001)(76482001)(74502001)(101416001)(76176999)(99286002)(50986999)(54356999)(46102001)(85852003)(79102001)(83072002)(21056001)(105586002)(95666004)(99396002)(2656002)(77982001)(87936001)(24736002);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:CO1PR06MB266;H:CO1PR06MB265.namprd06.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;MLV:sfv;PTR:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1648729073614ba48ea1d2012283af93CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sv2studios.com --_000_1648729073614ba48ea1d2012283af93CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > to be a broken record, h.264 is NOT just web video. its capable of iFrame= , deep color and high bit rates. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.= 264 for a starter. Not arguing there - but not aware of any Adobe or common NLE etc. encoders = that support 10-bit iframe 444 H.264 and certainly not the deprecated AE fo= rmat unless I was totally missing something. But the larger issue here is that h.264 vs say ProRes 4444 is analogous to = a DCDM vs a DCP in digital cinema. DCP is not your master, it's your distri= bution master. It's like keeping your audio masters at 320KB CBR MP3. Just = not smart workflow/archiving in my view. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, = the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:09 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2014 to be a broken record, h.264 is NOT just web video. its capable of iFrame, = deep color and high bit rates. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.26= 4 for a starter. then realize panasonic P2 cameras record AVCintra 100 and 200 mbit 10 bit, = basically equal to ProRes 422 and HQ. HDcam SR 440mbit is based on h.264 its a perfectly good delivery format if you use the higher end specs S On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: I will chime in that on some of my boxes I had stopped using AE for H.264 d= ue to crashes with export and started using AME and never had an issue or c= rash. The one downside to AME is not having an export history saved with the proj= ect - not sure if that is even possible. But h.264 as a final for clients? I can't imagine doing that. ProRes 422 or= Avid is about as uncompressed I would ever deliver. H.264 is just a proof/= web format as it just won't holdup to much after that. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, = the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:45 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2014 I can vouch for this exact approach. Here's a sample from last weekend, exp= orted via AME using the Vimeo 1080p 29.97 preset. https://vimeo.com/98827113 Brian You're asking for output directly from After Effects, but my answer is to u= se the Vimeo encoding presets in Adobe Media Encoder. Just render and export a losslessly encoded master from After Effects into = a watch folder that AME is monitoring, and let AME create the Vimeo file. From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] What is a better alternative than .MOV H.264 for optimal qualityute for upl= oad to Vimeo? Requirements: 24 fps, 1080p, 44kHz Stereo, size < 200 Mb per 60 sec of vide= o, direct render from AE output. --_000_1648729073614ba48ea1d2012283af93CO1PR06MB265namprd06pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> to be a broke= n record, h.264 is NOT just web video. its capable of iFrame, deep color an= d high bit rates. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264 for a starter.

 <= /p>

Not arguing there –= but not aware of any Adobe or common NLE etc. encoders that support 10-bit= iframe 444 H.264 and certainly not the deprecated AE format unless I was totally missing something.

 <= /p>

But the larger issue here= is that h.264 vs say ProRes 4444 is analogous to a DCDM vs a DCP in digita= l cinema. DCP is not your master, it’s your distribution master. It’s like keeping your audio masters at 320KB CBR MP3. Just = not smart workflow/archiving in my view.

 <= /p>

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is – or s= hould be – more like music than like fiction. It should be a progress= ion of moods and feelings. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

–Stanley Kubrick=

 <= /p>

From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:09 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2= 014

 

to be a broken record, h.264 is NOT just web video. = its capable of iFrame, deep color and high bit rates. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.26= 4 for a starter.

 

then realize panasonic P2 cameras record AVCintra 10= 0 and 200 mbit 10 bit, basically equal to ProRes 422 and HQ. HDcam SR 440mb= it is based on h.264

 

its a perfectly good delivery format if you use the = higher end specs

 

S

 

On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <= AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:



I will chime in that on s= ome of my boxes I had stopped using AE for H.264 due to crashes with export= and started using AME and never had an issue or crash.

 <= /p>

The one downside to AME i= s not having an export history saved with the project – not sure if t= hat is even possible.

 <= /p>

But h.264 as a final for = clients? I can’t imagine doing that. ProRes 422 or Avid is about as u= ncompressed I would ever deliver. H.264 is just a proof/web format as it just won’t holdup to much after that.

 <= /p>

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777<= /o:p>

 =

 =

A film is – or s= hould be – more like music than like fiction. It should be a progress= ion of moods and feelings. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

–Stanley Kubrick=

 <= /p>

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] 
Sent: Thursday, Ju= ne 26, 2014 2:45 PM
To: After Effects = Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] = Depreciated output formats gone completely in AE 2014

 

I can vouch for this exact approach. Here’s a = sample from last weekend, exported via AME using the Vimeo 1080p 29.97 pres= et.

 

 

Brian



You're asking for output = directly from After Effects, but my answer is to use the Vimeo encoding pre= sets in Adobe Media Encoder.

 <= /p>

Just render and export a = losslessly encoded master from After Effects into a watch folder that AME i= s monitoring, and let AME create the Vimeo file.

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]

 

What is a better alternative than .MOV H.264 for optimal= qualityute for upload to Vimeo?

 

Requirements: 24 fps, 1080p, 44kHz Stereo, size < 200= Mb per 60 sec of video, direct render from AE output.

 

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