From: "Rick Gerard" Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net ([66.96.186.10] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5516098 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:34:22 +0200 Received: from bosmailscan03.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.3]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1X210g-00078w-EU for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from [10.115.3.24] (helo=bosimpout04.eigbox.net) by bosmailscan03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1X210g-00086H-Bx for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.3]) by bosimpout04.eigbox.net with NO UCE id M4aN1o00503yW76014aNsQ; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:34:22 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=eYG/js4H c=1 sm=1 a=JTdkPs/fbERVFt2BFeVs2w==:17 a=fc00TriMUCcA:10 a=AwZ4KAQMlCoA:10 a=TRGZEfB8wq4A:10 a=CT0u5MniAAAA:8 a=ZlIs7xrhAAAA:8 a=7EQUEeH0AAAA:8 a=ZoUhCwu_5zJAbgzQQ4UA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=HqAsHxL-TQ4A:10 a=XWT8u3UPgmwA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=unOUm3Tfe-wV-NCZ:21 a=7NOaIjCl1gLsJA1H:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=6uKCkKhFq2wXOH2GoQX8aA==:117 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.20.18.3 X-EN-IMPSID: M4aN1o00503yW76014aNsQ Received: from [50.8.136.203] (port=54843 helo=stephanies-mini.local.tld) by bosauthsmtp03.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1X210f-0000Xn-Jr for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:34:22 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_12907EF3-5287-4604-A44A-6673A17674F6" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:34:13 -0700 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-EN-UserInfo: c662172581359b31880c5d4c8e0aae06:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: rg@hottek.net Sender: Rick Gerard X-EN-OrigIP: 50.8.136.203 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown --Apple-Mail=_12907EF3-5287-4604-A44A-6673A17674F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It looks like it=92s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=85 The extras are = awfully cheap.=20 The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has = access to the same tools that a production house has and there are = enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to = produce something that looks like something already produced. Design = skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat = looking clones of an existing idea are cheap.=20 The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you = have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 = year old technicians out there that don=92t have to pay any bills so the = price is in the toilet. Rick Gerard On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno wrote: >> The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software = writers...... all who will work for $5! >=20 >=20 > (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. >=20 >=20 > David Torno > Technical Director > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > -------------------- > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >=20 > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field >=20 > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" = wrote: >=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_12907EF3-5287-4604-A44A-6673A17674F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 It = looks like it=92s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=85 The extras are = awfully cheap. 

The saddest thing about this = business is that a 14 year old now has access to the same tools that a = production house has and there are enough templates out there that it = takes no skill or imagination to produce something that looks like = something already produced. Design skills and creativity still demand a = fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are = cheap. 

The point of my comment, if you = want to only be a technician then you have to accept technicians wages. = There are a lot of very capable 14 year old technicians out there that = don=92t have to pay any bills so the price is in the = toilet.

Rick = Gerard


On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 = AM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

The = site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software = writers...... all who will work for = $5!

(slapping forehead) This makes = me sad.


David Torno
Technical = Director
http://www.ghosttownmedia.com<= /div>
O: 213.739.2290
C: = 818.391.6060
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http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com<= /div>

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles = Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John = Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:



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