From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-qg0-f48.google.com ([209.85.192.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5516146 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:34:10 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id q108so3608284qgd.7 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 10:34:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1N+lqF+elO/SNmwVhDPzmYMysdnhjOhCMbwsjwqOpCY=; b=cOHQoCfrxzvpitdY9++ku77ayd4mbaUDFmq10rQTwMlhAimHB49IzqLb6EfytjYd4e 8DnZGr6NEi9YaNVqcKaqrOUZnqLIBk0nuBJuTaimgZXURVcaCVmx7wqFPN30/y6Mjq9b ta2LbGmk25FI2JOO5jYUmONsdLNipRkfKFpMbp92fy5+Og8wMSJrRJkNlC0nGqzzPoNx DJhNiSthFx8pXSk+1kXMlwJbA4M4We9932IFOJSDHiPvEwgdgW/tk5NCyF9XdleoBr9m rmi4YNaKgdIBVjOoURYIJzIxMZd0Lub3iXKV7FLhUF9GNXdwtSB53b/S6jQr6Zhrg6/7 91QQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.122.2 with SMTP id j2mr9929747qar.93.1404236049755; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 10:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.108.41 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:34:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 13:34:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158ba80ed34c104fd252ee0 --089e0158ba80ed34c104fd252ee0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my experience the clients pay me to produce exactly what they are asking for, quickly. Not from a template, and changes need to be made on the fly. I demand a high rate because of my experience, client management, listening skills, style and professionalism. Lets just say it took me years longer to work out the business end than the pure technical know-how. That being said, if you are not up to date with current trends and software, you will be left behind. Thats always how it has been. Unfortunate but true. We work in a competitive industry that is fun and creative, and especially in new york, there are always people willing to do it for free, just to learn. But smart clients will always know the difference. You pay for amateur work in other ways, like frustration, miscommunication, speed, and polish. I think that will never change. And just like us "creatives," (a word I hate) there are amateur clients as well. Learning to know the difference should be part of one's education as well. Sometimes you are more profitable saying no to a job you'll regret... On Tuesday, July 1, 2014, Rick Gerard wrote: > It looks like it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The = extras are > awfully cheap. > > The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has acces= s > to the same tools that a production house has and there are enough > templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce > something that looks like something already produced. Design skills and > creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clone= s > of an existing idea are cheap. > > The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you hav= e > to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old > technicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any bills so the pri= ce is in > the toilet. > > Rick Gerard > > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno > wrote: > > The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software > writers...... all who will work for $5! > > > (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. > > > David Torno > Technical Director > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > -------------------- > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" > wrote: > > > > --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --089e0158ba80ed34c104fd252ee0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In my experience the clients pay me to produce exactly= =C2=A0what they are asking for, quickly. Not from=C2=A0a template, and chan= ges need to be made on the fly.=C2=A0I demand a high rate because of my exp= erience, client management, listening skills, style=C2=A0and professionalis= m. Lets just say it took me years longer to work out the business end=C2=A0= than the pure technical know-how. That being said, if you are not up to dat= e with current trends and software,=C2=A0you will be left behind. Thats alw= ays how it has been. Unfortunate but true. We work in a competitive industr= y that is fun and creative, and especially=C2=A0in new york, there are alwa= ys people willing to do it for free, just to learn. But smart=C2=A0clients = will always know the difference. You pay for amateur work in other ways, li= ke frustration, miscommunication, speed, and polish. I think that=C2=A0will= never change. And just like us "creatives," (a word I hate) ther= e are amateur clients as well. Learning to know the difference should be=C2= =A0part of one's=C2=A0education as well. Sometimes you are more profita= ble=C2=A0saying no to a=C2=A0job you'll regret...

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014, Rick Gerard <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
It looks like it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum= payment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The extras are awfully cheap.=C2=A0

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The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now h= as access to the same tools that a production house has and there are enoug= h templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce some= thing that looks like something already produced. Design skills and creativ= ity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an e= xisting idea are cheap.=C2=A0

The point of my comment, if you want to only be a techn= ician then you have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very ca= pable 14 year old technicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any = bills so the price is in the toilet.

Rick Gerard


On J= ul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno <AE-List@= media-motion.tv> wrote:

The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software writ= ers...... all who will work for $5!

(= slapping forehead) This makes me sad.


David Torno
Technical Director

"The most useless day is t= hat in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field
<= br>On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:





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