From: "David Torno" Received: from atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5516194 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:47:29 +0200 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.203]) by atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s61IlSSa002842 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:47:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 7213 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2014 18:47:28 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 76.169.83.134 X-Authenticated-UID: torno@sydefxink.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (torno@sydefxink.com@76.169.83.134) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Jul 2014 18:47:27 -0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-58F4EF99-13ED-49E8-AB42-37FDC480CA18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply Message-Id: <863C68FD-5911-4F06-9878-DA92A341167A@sydefxink.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:47:23 -0700 References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B651) --Apple-Mail-58F4EF99-13ED-49E8-AB42-37FDC480CA18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has access= to the same tools that a production house has... A lot of those same 14 year olds also didn't obtain their software legally t= oo. > ...and there are enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imag= ination to produce something that looks like something already produced. Des= ign skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat l= ooking clones of an existing idea are cheap.=20 I can name numerous "artists" that have submitted demo reels to our office t= hat were composed if nothing more than free VideoCopilot project files with t= he text changed. Drives me nuts. God love Andrew, he has done some amazing s= tuff, but too many people abuse his kind offerings. David Torno Technical Director http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 -------------------- http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field > On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Rick Gerard" wrote:= >=20 > It looks like it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The e= xtras are awfully cheap.=20 >=20 > The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has access= to the same tools that a production house has and there are enough template= s out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce something that l= ooks like something already produced. Design skills and creativity still dem= and a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea a= re cheap.=20 >=20 > The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you have= to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old te= chnicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any bills so the price is= in the toilet. >=20 > Rick Gerard >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno wrote: >>=20 >>> The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software write= rs...... all who will work for $5! >>=20 >>=20 >> (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. >>=20 >>=20 >> David Torno >> Technical Director >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> -------------------- >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >>=20 >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >>=20 >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" wr= ote: >>>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-58F4EF99-13ED-49E8-AB42-37FDC480CA18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The saddest t= hing about this business is that a 14 year old now has access to the same to= ols that a production house has...
A lot of those same 14 y= ear olds also didn't obtain their software legally too.

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...and there are enough templates out there th= at it takes no skill or imagination to produce something that looks like som= ething already produced. Design skills and creativity still demand a fairly h= igh price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. = ;

I can name numerous "artists" that have submitt= ed demo reels to our office that were composed if nothing more than free Vid= eoCopilot project files with the text changed. Drives me nuts. God love Andr= ew, he has done some amazing stuff, but too many people abuse his kind offer= ings.



David Torno
Technical Director
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
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"The most useless day is that= in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Rick= Gerard" <AE-List@media-motion= .tv> wrote:

It looks l= ike it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The extras are aw= fully cheap. 

The saddest thing about this business i= s that a 14 year old now has access to the same tools that a production hous= e has and there are enough templates out there that it takes no skill or ima= gination to produce something that looks like something already produced. De= sign skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat l= ooking clones of an existing idea are cheap. 

= The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you have t= o accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old tech= nicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any bills so the price is i= n the toilet.

Rick Gerard

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On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The site is chock full of editors, animators, vid= eo guys, software writers...... all who will work for $5!
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(slapping forehead) This makes me sad.

David Torno
Technical Director
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
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"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:



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