From: "Robert Houghton" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5516210 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 21:13:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.37] (c-67-171-136-20.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.171.136.20]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaJHc-1XLuit0Q7k-00KZJQ; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: <53B3084E.7090308@pdxgfx.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 12:13:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040506090307060204050008" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:mky8odBcKK05nncB7W/0ZgLV9h60EZ7YkMQKyyYV44X YMkZaL0Y/tjmXppytpoy7xnlT6gHR1CoTwFbNLhEkDvjZoyqQD NG2TMgt9MYSxGqGbs68QIMVg9yeXq0UDLXsvUll2xhaggMOJlq 9g9YTn78pkj5ErS9yeZA/r7xj1mSzoJwFjNktpdEivUmnIsg8d GQF2CPjHX0tdLVY6YIQe0zqzkHkWW+06KUFMnFRRX7ZSNl/lV2 JwRQFD0ZikR4yg0n7R/nAexrmiBTKS7ryZ86Ze2yz4B//292xl HRXaDK/5Ad4qcpwvxiVbHZe4gD7Qz/3pGwSkk1QpyIjPZULB3z vNjEbJ3KxACruQatO9ho= This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040506090307060204050008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hear hear. On 7/1/14, 11:47 AM, David Torno wrote: >> The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has >> access to the same tools that a production house has... > A lot of those same 14 year olds also didn't obtain their software > legally too. > > >> ...and there are enough templates out there that it takes no skill or >> imagination to produce something that looks like something already >> produced. Design skills and creativity still demand a fairly high >> price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. > > I can name numerous "artists" that have submitted demo reels to our > office that were composed if nothing more than free VideoCopilot > project files with the text changed. Drives me nuts. God love Andrew, > he has done some amazing stuff, but too many people abuse his kind > offerings. > > > > David Torno > Technical Director > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > -------------------- > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Rick Gerard" > wrote: > >> It looks like it’s a $5 minimum payment plus extras… The extras are >> awfully cheap. >> >> The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has >> access to the same tools that a production house has and there are >> enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to >> produce something that looks like something already produced. Design >> skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but >> neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. >> >> The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you >> have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 >> year old technicians out there that don’t have to pay any bills so >> the price is in the toilet. >> >> Rick Gerard >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno > > wrote: >> >>>> The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software >>>> writers...... all who will work for $5! >>> >>> (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. >>> >>> >>> David Torno >>> Technical Director >>> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >>> O: 213.739.2290 >>> C: 818.391.6060 >>> -------------------- >>> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >>> >>> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >>> -Charles Field >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" >> > wrote: >>> >>>> >> --------------040506090307060204050008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hear hear.


On 7/1/14, 11:47 AM, David Torno wrote:
The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has access to the same tools that a production house has...
A lot of those same 14 year olds also didn't obtain their software legally too.


...and there are enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce something that looks like something already produced. Design skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. 

I can name numerous "artists" that have submitted demo reels to our office that were composed if nothing more than free VideoCopilot project files with the text changed. Drives me nuts. God love Andrew, he has done some amazing stuff, but too many people abuse his kind offerings.



David Torno
Technical Director
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
--------------------

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Rick Gerard" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

It looks like it’s a $5 minimum payment plus extras… The extras are awfully cheap. 

The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has access to the same tools that a production house has and there are enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce something that looks like something already produced. Design skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. 

The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old technicians out there that don’t have to pay any bills so the price is in the toilet.

Rick Gerard


On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software writers...... all who will work for $5!

(slapping forehead) This makes me sad.


David Torno
Technical Director
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
--------------------

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:




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