From: "adam mercado" Received: from homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5516391 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 06:56:31 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D5F10AFAA for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 21:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=f5SHnohgn8GvcIt6fF0PxqitF/8= ; b=pc/V1PzkMawLIlz0oOi+Wb6FIHHt65r64wl8X+XbXHDxfy7MMqazhoEJZVDS BY8gviadzzypdcCAOkXNIJRYJZqWRQvTF/pt9xa9fFwPymJqTkfMijxc8B+4KBaR h4r0ShLtnv3jUBFiPVahp44mcWn3Ek49dPrVvRqeR43DopI= Received: from [192.168.0.19] (cpe-172-249-131-119.socal.res.rr.com [172.249.131.119]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CEC6710AFA5 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 21:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-768027972 Message-Id: <0BD3D712-AEDF-43BE-BA32-16489487A72F@influxx.com> Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 21:56:30 -0700 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-1-768027972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thats a nice sentiment Rick, but so many clients just want a =20 technician to execute a clone of a clip they found on YouTube. No =20 creativity wanted, just a button pusher. I have no desire to be a =20 technician and earn a technicians wages, but when the call comes in =20 to be a button pushing cloner...well one has to take what one gets. =20 And sites like fiver and thumbtack perpetuate the race to the bottom =20 of the earning scale. Such a sad state of a affairs. Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Rick Gerard wrote: > It looks like it=92s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=85 The extras = are =20 > awfully cheap. > > The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has =20= > access to the same tools that a production house has and there are =20 > enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to =20= > produce something that looks like something already produced. =20 > Design skills and creativity still demand a fairly high price =20 > point, but neat looking clones of an existing idea are cheap. > > The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then =20 > you have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very =20 > capable 14 year old technicians out there that don=92t have to pay =20 > any bills so the price is in the toilet. > > Rick Gerard > > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno =20 > wrote: > >>> The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, =20 >>> software writers...... all who will work for $5! >> >> >> (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. >> >> >> David Torno >> Technical Director >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> -------------------- >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >> >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >> >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" > motion.tv> wrote: >> >>> > --Apple-Mail-1-768027972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Thats a nice sentiment Rick, but so many clients just want a technician = to execute a clone of a clip they found on YouTube. No creativity = wanted, just a button pusher. I have no desire to be a technician and = earn a technicians wages, but when the call comes in to be a button = pushing cloner...well one has to take what one gets. And sites like = fiver and thumbtack perpetuate the race to the bottom of the earning = scale. Such a sad state of a affairs.



On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Rick Gerard = wrote:

It looks like it=92s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=85 = The extras are awfully cheap. 

The saddest thing = about this business is that a 14 year old now has access to the same = tools that a production house has and there are enough templates out = there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce something that = looks like something already produced. Design skills and creativity = still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of an = existing idea are cheap. 

The point of my = comment, if you want to only be a technician then you have to accept = technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old = technicians out there that don=92t have to pay any bills so the price is = in the toilet.

Rick = Gerard


On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 = AM, David Torno <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

The site = is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software writers...... = all who will work for = $5!

(slapping forehead) This makes = me sad.


David Torno
Technical = Director
http://www.ghosttownmedia.com<= /div>
O: 213.739.2290
C: = 818.391.6060
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http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com<= /div>

"The most useless day is that in which we do = not laugh"
-Charles = Field

On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John = Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:




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