From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-qc0-f179.google.com ([209.85.216.179] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5516728 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:25:04 +0200 Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x3so10028368qcv.10 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ydU+40ZW/d8CF0xb12cPebQKM/mUt0tes/gxnBAjYyU=; b=sNDYBKvbKNT0WOHSKt3ykvVEb3OlthtmI0ilm9FYshGL/FRHQx3dJYLOXUGFOqyCKA 9HDA/SfeNjEUvY58Urp/WfeiWCPshL9H0Mzd9QFc9StmngxGKotKvF0dUPUvjpuZ+ZB0 0t8obDMopwdjG7I/uxBTD4JQVXc12OAdqCyETsevKuSFaHrO5AdhC6gjZAN/6EKkeMu3 xOv2aGe0hSkx/GLMijXLD0sxbxAXaRbKjIOdX3fE84H0yereA3oy33rFsxLkxKdsoDHH gZK95kuiDdwIlWOMqox/Sm616P21qNdpl3fjpzoRd8P+ZmJidv14yWF3CEHSf6hh5FQI 0RBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.93.2 with SMTP id t2mr3323739qam.41.1404311103662; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.108.41 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] a WTF ad for an animator, with reply To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115eb187d040104fd36a88d --089e0115eb187d040104fd36a88d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lets just say I posted an ad on thumbtack for a photographer for my wedding, got five bids, and after seeing their portfolios decided instead to pay someone referred by a friend $1500 more than the highest bid, to do it right. And he was awesome, and worth every cent. You do get what you pay for, and people can tell the difference in the long run. On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, adam mercado wrote: > Thats a nice sentiment Rick, but so many clients just want a technician t= o > execute a clone of a clip they found on YouTube. No creativity wanted, ju= st > a button pusher. I have no desire to be a technician and earn a technicia= ns > wages, but when the call comes in to be a button pushing cloner...well on= e > has to take what one gets. And sites like fiver and thumbtack perpetuate > the race to the bottom of the earning scale. Such a sad state of a affair= s. > > > *Adam Mercado* > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA > > Moving Images. For Business > *714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896* > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Rick Gerard wrote: > > It looks like it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum payment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The = extras are > awfully cheap. > > The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old now has acces= s > to the same tools that a production house has and there are enough > templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce > something that looks like something already produced. Design skills and > creativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clone= s > of an existing idea are cheap. > > The point of my comment, if you want to only be a technician then you hav= e > to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very capable 14 year old > technicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any bills so the pri= ce is in > the toilet. > > Rick Gerard > > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno > wrote: > > The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software > writers...... all who will work for $5! > > > (slapping forehead) This makes me sad. > > > David Torno > Technical Director > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > -------------------- > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" > wrote: > > > > > --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --089e0115eb187d040104fd36a88d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lets just say I posted an ad on thumbtack for a photographer for my wedding= , got five bids, and after seeing their portfolios=C2=A0decided instead=C2= =A0to pay someone referred by a friend=C2=A0$1500 more than the highest=C2= =A0bid, to do it right.=C2=A0And he was awesome, and worth every cent.=C2= =A0You do get what you pay for, and people can tell the difference in the l= ong run.=C2=A0

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, adam mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thats a nice sentiment Rick, but so many clients just want a technician to = execute a clone of a clip they found on YouTube. No creativity wanted, just= a button pusher. I have no desire to be a technician and earn a technician= s wages, but when the call comes in to be a button pushing cloner...well on= e has to take what one gets. And sites like fiver and thumbtack perpetuate = the race to the bottom of the earning scale. Such a sad state of a affairs.=


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media Production
Fullerton,= CA

Moving Images. For Business
714= =C2=B0928=C2=B09896

On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Rick Gerard wrote:
It looks like it=E2=80=99s a $5 minimum pa= yment plus extras=E2=80=A6 The extras are awfully cheap.=C2=A0

The saddest thing about this business is that a 14 year old = now has access to the same tools that a production house has and there are = enough templates out there that it takes no skill or imagination to produce= something that looks like something already produced. Design skills and cr= eativity still demand a fairly high price point, but neat looking clones of= an existing idea are cheap.=C2=A0

The point of my comment, if you want to only be a techn= ician then you have to accept technicians wages. There are a lot of very ca= pable 14 year old technicians out there that don=E2=80=99t have to pay any = bills so the price is in the toilet.

Rick Gerard


On J= ul 1, 2014, at 8:42 AM, David Torno <AE-List@= media-motion.tv> wrote:

The site is chock full of editors, animators, video guys, software writ= ers...... all who will work for $5!

(= slapping forehead) This makes me sad.


David Torno
Technical Director

"The most useless day is t= hat in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field
<= br>On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "John Veeneman" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:






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