From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com ([209.85.223.175] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5523210 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:11:01 +0200 Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x19so501885ier.6 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:11:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rE1SfyUwpjbv0j2pDUlvzphaRIZrQinwjxcaVKsBIwM=; b=Sm8X2FqmeL9+OQ4pD9+U9JFG8gNcHXc1aKCTgWVMa44OuG/zJ9hQypPrzasZnKldJB i1AWva+lmzF9LvlGPGCvXfIX1jbAxIwPmCR6BtZRl2qYSO7TD6kAycM1Lrs69cjCBbym 2u2bOHjwF53asuKg/xpEpNqFi92LWLGHyDWd3bcUxXIQDxDWDshvmZ90l33jwXS3K4f9 qzqD9NJtuf+RG+A2TBg2b34janlDZKRy4EG9nshuqBdACLANjmlRoRddVD2NFFCzzH4x 27EtoKoCyZ1cfkQRPLZ/Aui5f4JW5fL0F2GhApej6HZSGlK97hrDSWJWD/L7ETNXk2KN o1jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.72.198 with SMTP id p6mr55166907icj.52.1405008660315; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.33.7 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.33.7 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:11:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Redecorating an Office To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba613b9a1ac2dc04fdd91233 --90e6ba613b9a1ac2dc04fdd91233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ah OK. So I guess I'm still trying then to decipher what "enough change" on the minimum side really is. On Jul 10, 2014 12:04 PM, "Greg Balint" wrote: > I meant when they shot they had art on the walls that they would need to > obtain copyright to show so they asked to swap it out. > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > > On Jul 10, 2014 10:47 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" > wrote: > >> Thanks Greg, >> >> In these couple shots, there are also a lot of back and forth and >> different angles to ensure that whatever changes are made, make it across >> all the shots. Add in to that some serious blown out white in a doorway >> and we have the recipe for a mess. >> >> I know they originally wanted all the wall colors changed and it just >> wont work. They are white, blown out in some cases, and a roto scoping >> nightmare. At least outside what I can do anyway. >> >> When you say your changes weren't approved with stuff on walls and >> tables...you mean, that was not considered "enough change"? >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Greg Balint >> wrote: >> >>> I had something very similar happen on a movie VFX project. The images >>> on the walls and a few other things on tables and stuff weren't approved. >>> >>> For wall art, just go find something random on morguefile.com or flickr >>> under creative commons on the advanced search. Look up "still life" and >>> then run a few PS filters on em to make them look like wall art. >>> >>> Other stuff you could just remove or add new items overlaying. >>> >>> Remove windows or columns by cloning other pieces of walls over them and >>> stuff. They can't prove it's a location if the windows aren't even there in >>> the architecture. >>> >>> Maybe even roto out shots and replace with CC licensed shots of a >>> different office blurred out to simulate rack focus? >>> >>> Ultimately, this should probably be on the clients side of changes to >>> make. If they shot on the wrong location, they should have idea of what >>> needs to be changed to make it right for them. Ask if picture changes and >>> curtain color changes are enough. Sounds like it wouldn't be though. >>> >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/ >>> >>> On Jul 10, 2014 8:58 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I have an interesting few shots for this movie that I've been doing VFX >>>> on. They used an office for a shot and afterward realized that they never >>>> received the approval for the location. So now, they are asking me to >>>> basically change it up to make it look different. Now, the shots contain >>>> multiple angles to deal with and I am thinking of things like changing out >>>> the existing pictures on the walls and maybe some curtain color changes, >>>> etc. I have a couple questions that maybe some experienced folks here >>>> might be able to help me with: >>>> >>>> 1. What really constitutes enough change on a location to call it >>>> "legal" I guess? >>>> >>>> 2. In one picture, I just used a Van Gogh (Starry Night) as a >>>> replacement. I chose that because of the age and figured that is public >>>> domain. Any knowledge on that? >>>> >>>> 3. Any advice from the group here on how to proceed? >>>> >>>> Appreciate all. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >>>> >>>> *www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *Hidden in the Woods | VFX* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347 <443.206.1347>* >> >> *www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> * >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> * >> >> > --90e6ba613b9a1ac2dc04fdd91233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ah OK.=C2=A0 So I guess I'm still trying then to deciphe= r what "enough change" on the minimum side really is.

On Jul 10, 2014 12:04 PM, "Greg Balint"= ; <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I meant when they shot they had art on the walls that they w= ould need to obtain copyright to show so they asked to swap it out.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Jul 10, 2014 10:47 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk= " <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thanks Greg,
=C2=A0
In these coup= le shots, there are also a lot of back and forth and different angles to en= sure that whatever changes are made, make it across all the shots.=C2=A0 Ad= d in to that some serious blown out white in a doorway and we have the reci= pe for a mess.
=C2=A0
I know they originally wanted all the wall colors cha= nged and=C2=A0it just wont work.=C2=A0 They are white, blown out in some ca= ses, and a roto scoping nightmare.=C2=A0 At least outside what I can do any= way.
=C2=A0
When you say your changes weren't approved with stuff on walls and= tables...you mean, that was not considered "enough change"?
=C2=A0
Eric


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Greg Balint <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:

I had something very similar happen on a movie VFX project. = The images on the walls and a few other things on tables and stuff weren= 9;t approved.

For wall art, just go find something random on morguefile.com or flickr under c= reative commons on the advanced search. Look up "still life" and = then run a few PS filters on em to make them look like wall art.

Other stuff you could just remove or add new items overlayin= g.

Remove windows or columns by cloning other pieces of walls o= ver them and stuff. They can't prove it's a location if the windows= aren't even there in the architecture.

Maybe even roto out shots and replace with CC licensed shots= of a different office blurred out to simulate rack focus?

Ultimately, this should probably be on the clients side of c= hanges to make. If they shot on the wrong location, they should have idea o= f what needs to be changed to make it right for them.=C2=A0 Ask if picture = changes and curtain color changes are enough. Sounds like it wouldn't b= e though.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Jul 10, 2014 8:58 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk&= quot; <AE-L= ist@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hello all,
=C2=A0
I have an inter= esting few shots for this movie=C2=A0that I've been doing VFX on.=C2=A0= They used an office for a shot and afterward realized that they never rece= ived the approval for the location.=C2=A0 So now, they are asking me to bas= ically change it up to make it look different.=C2=A0 Now, the shots contain= multiple angles to deal with and I am thinking of things like changing out= the existing pictures on the walls and maybe some curtain color changes, e= tc.=C2=A0 I have a couple questions that maybe some experienced folks here = might be able to help me with:
=C2=A0
1.=C2=A0 What really constitutes enough change on a l= ocation to call it "legal" I guess?
=C2=A0
2.= =C2=A0 In one picture, I just used a Van Gogh (Starry Night) as a replaceme= nt.=C2=A0 I chose that because of the age and figured that is public domain= .=C2=A0 Any knowledge on that?
=C2=A0
3.=C2=A0 Any advice from the group here on how to pro= ceed?
=C2=A0
Appreciate all.
=C2=A0
Eric


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