From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.197] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5531756 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:30:09 +0200 Received: from [10.1.1.102] (75-135-165-0.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com [75.135.165.0]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lch5l-1Whccq03VP-00kAhC; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:30:08 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1285D3BB-910A-400F-BB82-774985E5938F" Message-Id: <212F5E7A-B42A-47CB-B72B-403B401E5901@practicalillusions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [AE] 23.976 to 59.94 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:30:05 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ZCZ/4rWkYtfYiLjmyqGj2KqKCZD9vOtV/dPbdDBFMSn IDqU1MYiv7BmMCBQT/Qe+LU4jPiZHyxLh811IMZQ+l0qgCcwfP FBDrBpO96OqwbAUmDC3iQzHJxjSzOVz7efQqxpG9ykkpH3LAFc GtKfkLe+6VYh/bq9kjFugpcGb80+92lRgvxKjnla2BwlpcuF9+ ikfy2qmlQpUwjs18yfF2ZtR/colLXsyTLko2i1uhRJUBACHmee MRxEv8AB7YlLLIE5pCzz3LwxEbjTTQyr3dnLKUntelGJMa5fe8 LZApKWQ7oDaQvHKyiEGFBqXPVSpN9k/Ilzs5pOScfqPDhrutNO pGvsRFy8whA/TFQLPwrNwHIi1aN57PYVglInu4t4zetTNiZROf sqEO8anRi53izDnrg4PFE6F1wdcQTY086Q= --Apple-Mail=_1285D3BB-910A-400F-BB82-774985E5938F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii more often than not 59.94 =3D 29.97i in 1080. some where along the line = 59.94 (fields) started getting used much to everyone's aggravation. that = said.... output a master 1080p23.976 file. why ? because then you can easily = output any other variation in the least amount of time. its pretty much = how I always work as re-rendering everything just to output new versions = is time expensive. in AME import the mov, then set up your output as needed which is most = likely 1080 29.97i. 720 is always 59.94 so you'd get 6:4 pd added so the = frames are padded out correctly in the stream. AME is smart enough to = know how to add the 3:2 PD as needed making for much faster encodes. in = fact could directly render your comp in AME too.... S On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Gary Reisman = wrote: > Yup. > just to clarify, IF you're wishing to render to 720p, drop in a = 720/59.94 comp and hit render > IF you're wishing to render 1080i, drop into a1080/29.97 comp and = render *Upper Field first, and it will automatically add 3:2 pulldown . = (otherwise, it will merely duplicate every 5th frame I believe) >=20 >=20 > On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: >=20 >> Just drop your 23.976 source interpreted as 23.976 into a 59.94 comp = and render it out at 59.94. You will be duping frames, but that's just = the way it is. Expect the old 3:2 cadence: 3 frames of source frame = one, 2 frames of frame 2 etc. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote: >>=20 >>> We are working on a spot that is live action based and has all been = done at 23.976 >>>=20 >>> Of course the client just told us they also need a version at 59.94. >>>=20 >>> I could add pulldown to to the 23.976 to make it 29.97 but how would = I get it to 59.94 ? >>>=20 >>> Duping interlaced frames doesn't sound like a good idea. >>>=20 >>> Any thoughts? >>>=20 >>> Cheers >>>=20 >>> Phil >>>=20 >>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>=20 >>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1285D3BB-910A-400F-BB82-774985E5938F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii more = often than not 59.94 =3D 29.97i in 1080. some where along the line 59.94 = (fields) started getting used much to everyone's aggravation. that = said....

output a master 1080p23.976 file. why ? = because then you can easily output any other variation in the least = amount of time. its pretty much how I always work as re-rendering = everything just to output new versions is time = expensive.

in AME import the mov, then set up = your output as needed which is most likely 1080 29.97i. 720 is always = 59.94 so you'd get 6:4 pd added so the frames are padded out correctly = in the stream. AME is smart enough to know how to add the 3:2 PD as = needed making for much faster encodes. in fact could directly render = your comp in AME = too....

S

On Jul 22, = 2014, at 9:05 PM, Gary Reisman <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Yup.
just to clarify, IF you're wishing to = render to 720p, drop in a 720/59.94 comp and hit = render
IF you're wishing to render 1080i, drop into = a1080/29.97 comp and render *Upper Field first, and it will = automatically add 3:2 pulldown . (otherwise, it will merely duplicate = every 5th frame I believe)

On Jul = 22, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Just drop your 23.976 source interpreted as 23.976 = into a 59.94 comp and render it out at 59.94. You will be duping = frames, but that's just the way it is. Expect the old 3:2 cadence: = 3 frames of source frame one, 2 frames of frame 2 = etc.

On = Jul 22, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Phil Spitler <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

We are working on a spot = that is live action based and has all been done at = 23.976

Of course the client just told us they also = need a version at 59.94.

I could add pulldown = to to the 23.976 to make it 29.97 but how would I get it to 59.94 = ?

Duping interlaced frames doesn't sound like a = good idea.

Any = thoughts?

Cheers

Phil

Phil Spitler | Creative = Technologist | Bonfire Labs = | t : 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139

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