From: "Phil Spitler" Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com ([209.85.192.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5531770 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:08:20 +0200 Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id g10so733813pdj.12 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=UvJHApwiZWC4Owp6O27d1k+yZ90A2p15c8Q8j8UPDc8=; b=KHJdymmF68N9enBqcGFJbVI8Uh+ZeOnZqJG3kI6EbecQHwb4c4mWygrugrbymjPN2i TFAWG+n9z5F0ism6fcFWNBEvoJQAWqCILuEsWZl+azRFGm91Qt47FzU4lnIjZTxrJ6Pn HuyE7gs5eaAc9zO9fXElcJVc+D4wNc1hAkK6NNZ90chpwKKTn8g6edE0Ms1ZUfyzUqWY SzGU94Z0Tq4qDNFWxXRxY2wdQCt1u3JA6YrGyzMIbiSZPzWBG8iYFRVLkLn+BjNq2pRC AsW+sU2rmxooBhFCa2rEQPKSaIa7/Szve4d0cpUfhNyf9BY1Ft00XiGK7l7AwyZ4HsTi ilrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkMpxH7NPL2ZiE693gjBYg97mDzM+SCQewDlAsWQMlffQcMyrUWeXj0gk82H6Bp+e7CaLrt X-Received: by 10.70.138.102 with SMTP id qp6mr6872950pdb.132.1406084898220; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.232.106.176] (mobile-166-137-184-127.mycingular.net. [166.137.184.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h6sm1003893pdn.80.2014.07.22.20.08.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2447F98F-1150-41D3-97B5-3E47DCC6F6F3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [AE] 23.976 to 59.94 Message-Id: <1719CFEC-FC29-4902-AEE0-9C53E78172DE@bonfirelabs.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:08:14 -0700 References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D257) --Apple-Mail-2447F98F-1150-41D3-97B5-3E47DCC6F6F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great thanks. Yup it's 1080 they want.=20 Cheers. Phil Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 415.394.820= 0 m : 415.571.3139 Website | Facebook | LinkedIn > On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:30 PM, "Steve Oakley" wrot= e: >=20 > more often than not 59.94 =3D 29.97i in 1080. some where along the line 59= .94 (fields) started getting used much to everyone's aggravation. that said.= ... >=20 > output a master 1080p23.976 file. why ? because then you can easily output= any other variation in the least amount of time. its pretty much how I alwa= ys work as re-rendering everything just to output new versions is time expen= sive. >=20 > in AME import the mov, then set up your output as needed which is most lik= ely 1080 29.97i. 720 is always 59.94 so you'd get 6:4 pd added so the frames= are padded out correctly in the stream. AME is smart enough to know how to a= dd the 3:2 PD as needed making for much faster encodes. in fact could direct= ly render your comp in AME too.... >=20 > S >=20 >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Gary Reisman wrote= : >>=20 >> Yup. >> just to clarify, IF you're wishing to render to 720p, drop in a 720/59= .94 comp and hit render >> IF you're wishing to render 1080i, drop into a1080/29.97 comp and render= *Upper Field first, and it will automatically add 3:2 pulldown . (otherwise= , it will merely duplicate every 5th frame I believe) >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:= >>>=20 >>> Just drop your 23.976 source interpreted as 23.976 into a 59.94 comp and= render it out at 59.94. You will be duping frames, but that's just the way= it is. Expect the old 3:2 cadence: 3 frames of source frame one, 2 frames= of frame 2 etc. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Phil Spitler wro= te: >>>>=20 >>>> We are working on a spot that is live action based and has all been don= e at 23.976 >>>>=20 >>>> Of course the client just told us they also need a version at 59.94. >>>>=20 >>>> I could add pulldown to to the 23.976 to make it 29.97 but how would I g= et it to 59.94 ? >>>>=20 >>>> Duping interlaced frames doesn't sound like a good idea. >>>>=20 >>>> Any thoughts? >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers >>>>=20 >>>> Phil >>>>=20 >>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 415.39= 4.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>=20 >>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >=20 --Apple-Mail-2447F98F-1150-41D3-97B5-3E47DCC6F6F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great thanks. Yup it's 1080 they want.=  

Cheers.

Phil
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On Jul 22, 2014, a= t 7:30 PM, "Steve Oakley" <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

<= div>more often than not 59.94 =3D 29.97i in 1080. some where along the line 5= 9.94 (fields) started getting used much to everyone's aggravation. that said= ....

output a master 1080p23.976 file. why ? because then= you can easily output any other variation in the least amount of time. its p= retty much how I always work as re-rendering everything just to output new v= ersions is time expensive.

in AME import the mov, t= hen set up your output as needed which is most likely 1080 29.97i. 720 is al= ways 59.94 so you'd get 6:4 pd added so the frames are padded out correctly i= n the stream. AME is smart enough to know how to add the 3:2 PD as needed ma= king for much faster encodes. in fact could directly render your comp in AME= too....

S

On Jul 22, 2014,= at 9:05 PM, Gary Reisman <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Yup.
just to cl= arify,  IF you're wishing to render to 720p,   drop in a 720/59.94= comp and hit render
IF you're wishing to render 1080i,  drop= into a1080/29.97 comp and render *Upper Field first, and it will automatica= lly add 3:2 pulldown . (otherwise, it will merely duplicate every 5th frame I= believe)


On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:11 PM= , Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv> wrote:

Just drop your 23.976 sourc= e interpreted as 23.976 into a 59.94 comp and render it out at 59.94.  = You will be duping frames, but that's just the way it is.  Expect the o= ld 3:2 cadence:  3 frames of source frame one, 2 frames of frame 2 etc.=




On Jul 22, 2= 014, at 7:32 PM, Phil Spitler <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

We are working= on a spot that is live action based and has all been done at 23.976
Of course the client just told us they also need a version at 59= .94.

I could add pulldown to to the 23.976 to make i= t 29.97 but how would I get it to 59.94 ?

Duping in= terlaced frames doesn't sound like a good idea.

Any= thoughts?

Cheers

Phil

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