From: "Brian Klein" Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.172.220.236] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5532129 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:52:27 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_56PjFsHZmN54f32FNbgyLQ)" Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTP id <0N96001HL9F3SA50@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:52:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-23_06:2014-07-23,2014-07-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407230191 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0N9600LRE9F9RE00@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:52:21 +0000 (GMT) To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:52:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: iCloud MailClient14E.142298 MailServer14E24.16380 X-Originating-IP: [216.17.87.130] Message-id: <5d54bd72-0524-4967-bfbd-a424676b8cb4@me.com> --Boundary_(ID_56PjFsHZmN54f32FNbgyLQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My recommendation is to find a chair=A0that fits you best. It might be any= of the Aeron models mentioned, but you might find a perfectly suitable ch= air at Costco. Aeron's would certainly look more impressive, if that is a = factor. =A0You might want to consult with an ergonomic specialist to help = you make a good decision? It might be worth it, especially if you are cons= idering spending a lot of money on an Aeron.=0A=0AAlso, I have had bouts o= f low back pain myself, and my=A0recommendation would be to work with a go= od trainer to strengthen your core, and make sure you are getting up every= 30 minutes to move around. Staying in the same position hours on end is l= ikely more of an issue=A0than even sitting in a bad chair.=0A=0AHope that'= s helpful.=0ABrian=0A=0AOn Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen wrote:=0A=0AI might suggest that if you have lower= back issues, maybe you need to try a stool where you can keep moving and = strengthen your core.=0A=0AI am looking at a KORE Stool myself.=A0http://w= ww.korestool.com=0A=0AThanks.=0A=0ABenny Christensen=0AProducers Playhouse= =0AOklahoma City=0A405-858-0700=0A=0A"Who are you going to believe? Me or = your lying eyes?"=A0- Redd Foxx=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jul 23, 2014, at 10= :19 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:=0A=0AWell Dann maybe I= will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I am pretty sure I was i= n a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so like I said, could have= been a size issue. My problem with the arms had more to do with angle and= width than position adjustability though, which is not as easily fixed.=A0= =0A=0AHowever I was hoping there were great alternatives and all I've seen= suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at the top end of my p= rice range, although much cheaper than back surgery. Gotta go find a place= I can try them out as opposed to ordering sight-unseen on the web.=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dann Stubbs wrote:=0Ai=92ve got two of them at two desks side by side - put the = settings the same on each and i can get up and move from workstation to wo= rkstation and don=92t even feel like i=92ve moved chairs.=0A=0Aalso mine a= re now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look and feel like brand new.=0A=0A= i don=92t have any excessive lint issues on them at all, wear mostly light= weight clothing (florida) and cottons etc=85 maybe once a year i remember = to take the vacuum hose and do a light dusting on the lower chair legs but= no real shredding issues that i see, but i try hard for a fairly clean en= vironment since it=92s computers ya know=85 helps them run cooler too and = not build up the heat mat of dust inside either.=0A=0Ai did see a few in o= ur past office that people abused, but they really are tough chairs. mine = are the fully articulated one (i think those =93dumbed down ones=94 came l= ater as a cost saving measure to compete with the look alikes)=0A=0Abefore= i bit the bullet and got these (list price used to be $1200 each when i g= ot them) i used to get expensive =93office=94 chairs ($200-$300 each) and = literally had to toss them away after a year, two max - just crushed them = with my long days sitting. these have probably 12 =A0hours a day for the p= ast 16 years=85 some days probably 24+ hours, some a bit less (i=92m not g= ood at taking vacations)=0A=0Ai=92m an ex athlete person (played hockey fo= r 20+ years), still pretty solid and heavy for my size and age at 5=92 10=94= - yeah with my age now i=92ve got an extra 20 lbs hanging around but for = the past twenty years i=92ve been 200-225LB and the chairs don=92t mind at= all. not some skinny lightweight on them.=0A=0Aprobably the best office t= ool i ever purchased. they are a bit firm, but i personally like firm seat= s, beds etc=85 don=92t care for soft or mushy things.=0A=0Abut then again,= everyone is different but i=92d be really sad if i lost these chairs. sor= ry to hear you could not find a good setting for you=85=0A=0A_____________= ______________________________________________________=0A=0ADann Stubbs=A0= =A0-=A0=A0dann@darkskydigital.com=0ADark Sky Digital -=A0=A0http://www.dar= kskydigital.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.RenderKing.com=A0=A0Value Priced C4D, VRAY= Render Farm=0A___________________________________________________________= ________=0A=0A=93You can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore the conseq= uences of ignoring reality.=94 -Ayn Rand=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jul 22, 2014, at 5:= 13 PM, Richard Bajjalieh wrote:=0A=0ADid you get= the fully articulated version? There is a Aeron version that looks the sa= me but lacks all the adjustments.=0A=A0=0AI have had one for years; I have= serious back issues, 2 collapsed discs in my lower lumbar, it=92s the onl= y chair I can sit in for an extended time. When the seat broke I called HM= to get a replacement part and they sent me a new chair for free. Seriousl= y don=92t know how I=92d work without it.=0A=A0=0AEveryone=92s different b= ut I=92m surprised you couldn=92t find a comfortable position unless you h= ad the =91dumbed down=92 version.=0A=A0=0ARich Bajjalieh=0A=A0=0AFrom:=A0T= eddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=A0=0ASent:=A0Tuesday, July 22, = 2014 4:00 PM=0ATo:=A0After Effects Mail List=0ASubject:=A0Re: [AE] [OT] Be= st office chairs?=0A=A0=0AI thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arm= s had no good working positions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unim= pressed=0A-TG=0A=A0=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs wrote:=0Areally? i love my aeron=92s=0A=A0=0Aare you= short or tall perhaps?=0A=A0=0Athere are three sizes of aeron - on the to= p back under the lip feel and there are dimples - one for small, two for m= edium and three for large chair size=0A=A0=0Ai=92m 5=92 10 and the medium = fits me great, just get it adjusted right and you can also flip the lumbar= over to have two levels of lower back support (pull it up and off the cha= ir back and flip it over - you can see there are two =93depths=94 then sli= de it back on)=0A=A0=0Aonly people i=92ve heard of that really did not lik= e the aeron=92s in our previous office of 100+ were people either too big = or too small for the medium sized chairs we had=0A=A0=0Adann=0A___________= ________________________________________________________=0A=A0=0ADann Stub= bs=A0=A0-=A0=A0dann@darkskydigital.com=0ADark Sky Digital -=A0=A0http://ww= w.darkskydigital.com=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.RenderKing.com=A0=A0Value Priced C= 4D, VRAY Render Farm=0A___________________________________________________= ________________=0A=A0=0A=93You can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore= the consequences of ignoring reality.=94 -Ayn Rand=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0AOn= Jul 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:=0A=0A= =0ALooking for good lower back support. Tried the Aeron chair for a while = but hated it. Anything people swear by in this industry of sitting? Have a= reasonable budget for something well-built.=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A=A0=0A--=0A____= _________________________=0AVFX & Motion Graphic Artist=0Ateddygage dot co= m=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A=A0=0A--=0A_____________________________=0AVFX & Motion Gr= aphic Artist=0Ateddygage dot com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0A_____________________= ________=0AVFX & Motion Graphic Artist=0Ateddygage dot com=0A=0A= --Boundary_(ID_56PjFsHZmN54f32FNbgyLQ) Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_S0epsYmA7vSKd+J/8czENw)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_S0epsYmA7vSKd+J/8czENw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
My recommendation is to find a chair that fits you best. It migh= t be any of the Aeron models mentioned, but you might find a perfectly sui= table chair at Costco. Aeron's would certainly look more impressive, if th= at is a factor.  You might want to consult with an ergonomic speciali= st to help you make a good decision? It might be worth it, especially if y= ou are considering spending a lot of money on an Aeron.

Also, I have had bouts of low back pain myself, and my recomme= ndation would be to work with a good trainer to strengthen your core, and = make sure you are getting up every 30 minutes to move around. Staying in t= he same position hours on end is likely more of an issue than even si= tting in a bad chair.

Hope that's helpful.
<= div>Brian

On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv> wrote:

=
I might suggest that if you have lower back issues, maybe you need= to try a stool where you can keep moving and strengthen your core.
I am looking at a KORE Stool myself. http://www.ko= restool.com

Thanks.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahom= a City
405-858-0700

"Who are you = going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?" - Redd Foxx






On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Well Dann maybe = I will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I am pretty sure I was = in a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so like I said, could hav= e been a size issue. My problem with the arms had more to do with angle an= d width than position adjustability though, which is not as easily fixed.&= nbsp;

However I was hoping there were great alternative= s and all I've seen suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at = the top end of my price range, although much cheaper than back surgery. Go= tta go find a place I can try them out as opposed to ordering sight-unseen= on the web.





On Tue, Jul 22, 2= 014 at 6:12 PM, Dann Stubbs <AE-Lis= t@media-motion.tv> wrote:
i=92ve got two of them at two desks side by side - put t= he settings the same on each and i can get up and move from workstation to= workstation and don=92t even feel like i=92ve moved chairs.

also mine are now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look and feel like= brand new.

i don=92t have any excessive lint iss= ues on them at all, wear mostly lightweight clothing (florida) and cottons= etc=85 maybe once a year i remember to take the vacuum hose and do a ligh= t dusting on the lower chair legs but no real shredding issues that i see,= but i try hard for a fairly clean environment since it=92s computers ya k= now=85 helps them run cooler too and not build up the heat mat of dust ins= ide either.

i did see a few in our past office th= at people abused, but they really are tough chairs. mine are the fully art= iculated one (i think those =93dumbed down ones=94 came later as a cost sa= ving measure to compete with the look alikes)

bef= ore i bit the bullet and got these (list price used to be $1200 each when = i got them) i used to get expensive =93office=94 chairs ($200-$300 each) a= nd literally had to toss them away after a year, two max - just crushed th= em with my long days sitting. these have probably 12  hours a day for= the past 16 years=85 some days probably 24+ hours, some a bit less (i=92m= not good at taking vacations)

i=92m an ex athlet= e person (played hockey for 20+ years), still pretty solid and heavy for m= y size and age at 5=92 10=94 - yeah with my age now i=92ve got an extra 20= lbs hanging around but for the past twenty years i=92ve been 200-225LB an= d the chairs don=92t mind at all. not some skinny lightweight on them.

probably the best office tool i ever purchased. they= are a bit firm, but i personally like firm seats, beds etc=85 don=92t car= e for soft or mushy things.

but then again, every= one is different but i=92d be really sad if i lost these chairs. sorry to = hear you could not find a good setting for you=85

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Dann Stubbs  - &= nbsp;dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital - &n= bsp;http://www.darkskydigital.com

http://www.RenderKing.com  Value Pr= iced C4D, VRAY Render Farm
___________________________________________________= ________________

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On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:= 13 PM, Richard Bajjalieh <AE-List@media-motion.tv= > wrote:

Did you get the fully articulat= ed version? There is a Aeron version that looks the same but lacks all the= adjustments.
=
 
I have= had one for years; I have serious back issues, 2 collapsed discs in my lo= wer lumbar, it=92s the only chair I can sit in for an extended time. When = the seat broke I called HM to get a replacement part and they sent me a ne= w chair for free. Seriously don=92t know how I=92d work without it.
 
Everyone=92s different bu= t I=92m surprised you couldn=92t find a comfortable position unless you ha= d the =91dumbed down=92 version.<= /span>
 
Rich Bajjalieh<= span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7= 3,125)" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif= ; color: #1f497d;"> 
From: Teddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:00= PM
To: After Effects Mail List
<= strong>Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chair= s?
 
I thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arms had no good = working positions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unimpressed
-TG 

On Tue, Ju= l 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
really? i love my aeron=92s=
 
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are you sh= ort or tall perhaps?
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there are three sizes of aeron - = on the top back under the lip feel and there are dimples - one for small, = two for medium and three for large chair size
 
<= /div>
i=92m 5=92= 10 and the medium fits me great, just get it adjusted right and you can a= lso flip the lumbar over to have two levels of lower back support (pull it= up and off the chair back and flip it over - you can see there are two =93= depths=94 then slide it back on)<= /span>
 
=
only people i=92ve h= eard of that really did not like the aeron=92s in our previous office of 1= 00+ were people either too big or too small for the medium sized chairs we= had
&= nbsp;
dann
= ___________________________________________________________________
 
Dann Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital -  http://www.darkskydigital.com
http://www.RenderKing.com  Value Priced C4D, VRAY Ren= der Farm
_____________________________= ______________________________________
 
=93Y= ou can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore the consequences of ignoring= reality.=94 -Ayn Rand
 
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On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:


Looking for good lower back support. Tried the Aeron chair = for a while but hated it. Anything people swear by in this industry of sit= ting? Have a reasonable budget for something well-built. 
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