From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5532139 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:40:19 +0200 Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so942957ykt.3 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:40:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=CsKV7jH96EVvVpqLetQmBytN10t4859trbLfJJWNfGA=; b=ErmDpFABCTYpiIRowX5eGwKNaBET8odXyJD0YlRtzRcWO5n7d0jEbyE/1FnKWMNz/h RzNXmdzATOv0oekxgEE1JXGxQTlIdWcwBoW4PnNk0HjyNkO1tV5KPi9drL0YHErYP6dm whhLCVImMsDHzOzlJLj60AdMXfp6DUQf6k+h8F8qEG4U7Y7LW9qqnVasSD/lgI2rY6yK Sb7en7u319PS53R3NQC3863k3MTYgmA4gO9OGx9y8SmJWpXn+q9qcqLzRipQ0zXbyzrf lUmY1jdFiF8d3Wdn0OX4VDuJVtOANAFwdiMD+im70b1RJfbXUdakmEOK/KQs/3xmw059 VQUQ== X-Received: by 10.236.16.165 with SMTP id h25mr3308211yhh.98.1406133618736; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:40:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.170.52.20 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:39:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01633b34da063c04fedefe43 --089e01633b34da063c04fedefe43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And to add to that, I use to work at an office that had an ergonomics specialist on staff. The thing that stuck with me she said even though there are some general things you can do to improve RSIs and back pain, "it's not about a single perfect position or chair, it's about changing your setup constantly" - change your chair height, arm height, lumbar position, even chairs entirely, never stay in the same position day in day out. it's the repetition of singular stresses that wear out that weak link in your body. I am pretty sure I have some kind of sciatica, but I do yoga with my wife, I lift weights, I do core and stamina training... I have lost over 30lbs in the last year and it has improved my back pain dramatically. But there's still only so much you can do when you sit all day, and I am literally wearing out my current chair, so it's time for an upgrade. I also get up at least 2x an hour, I am easily distracted, so that's nice. Ironically I never had back pain when I was a smoker because of all the breaks I took. But all other aspects of my life have also improved dramatically since I quit, so it's a fair trade. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Brian Klein wrote: > My recommendation is to find a chair that fits you best. It might be any > of the Aeron models mentioned, but you might find a perfectly suitable > chair at Costco. Aeron's would certainly look more impressive, if that is= a > factor. You might want to consult with an ergonomic specialist to help y= ou > make a good decision? It might be worth it, especially if you are > considering spending a lot of money on an Aeron. > > Also, I have had bouts of low back pain myself, and my recommendation > would be to work with a good trainer to strengthen your core, and make su= re > you are getting up every 30 minutes to move around. Staying in the same > position hours on end is likely more of an issue than even sitting in a b= ad > chair. > > Hope that's helpful. > Brian > > > On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen > wrote: > > I might suggest that if you have lower back issues, maybe you need to try > a stool where you can keep moving and strengthen your core. > > I am looking at a KORE Stool myself. http://www.korestool.com > > Thanks. > > Benny Christensen > Producers Playhouse > Oklahoma City > 405-858-0700 > > "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?" - Redd Foxx > > > > > > > On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > Well Dann maybe I will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I am > pretty sure I was in a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so lik= e > I said, could have been a size issue. My problem with the arms had more t= o > do with angle and width than position adjustability though, which is not = as > easily fixed. > > However I was hoping there were great alternatives and all I've seen > suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at the top end of my > price range, although much cheaper than back surgery. Gotta go find a pla= ce > I can try them out as opposed to ordering sight-unseen on the web. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dann Stubbs > wrote: > >> i=E2=80=99ve got two of them at two desks side by side - put the setting= s the >> same on each and i can get up and move from workstation to workstation a= nd >> don=E2=80=99t even feel like i=E2=80=99ve moved chairs. >> >> also mine are now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look and feel like >> brand new. >> >> i don=E2=80=99t have any excessive lint issues on them at all, wear most= ly >> lightweight clothing (florida) and cottons etc=E2=80=A6 maybe once a yea= r i >> remember to take the vacuum hose and do a light dusting on the lower cha= ir >> legs but no real shredding issues that i see, but i try hard for a fairl= y >> clean environment since it=E2=80=99s computers ya know=E2=80=A6 helps th= em run cooler too >> and not build up the heat mat of dust inside either. >> >> i did see a few in our past office that people abused, but they really >> are tough chairs. mine are the fully articulated one (i think those =E2= =80=9Cdumbed >> down ones=E2=80=9D came later as a cost saving measure to compete with t= he look >> alikes) >> >> before i bit the bullet and got these (list price used to be $1200 each >> when i got them) i used to get expensive =E2=80=9Coffice=E2=80=9D chairs= ($200-$300 each) >> and literally had to toss them away after a year, two max - just crushed >> them with my long days sitting. these have probably 12 hours a day for = the >> past 16 years=E2=80=A6 some days probably 24+ hours, some a bit less (i= =E2=80=99m not good >> at taking vacations) >> >> i=E2=80=99m an ex athlete person (played hockey for 20+ years), still pr= etty >> solid and heavy for my size and age at 5=E2=80=99 10=E2=80=9D - yeah wit= h my age now i=E2=80=99ve >> got an extra 20 lbs hanging around but for the past twenty years i=E2=80= =99ve been >> 200-225LB and the chairs don=E2=80=99t mind at all. not some skinny ligh= tweight on >> them. >> >> probably the best office tool i ever purchased. they are a bit firm, but >> i personally like firm seats, beds etc=E2=80=A6 don=E2=80=99t care for s= oft or mushy things. >> >> but then again, everyone is different but i=E2=80=99d be really sad if i= lost >> these chairs. sorry to hear you could not find a good setting for you=E2= =80=A6 >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >> >> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced >> C4D, VRAY Render Farm >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> =E2=80=9CYou can ignore reality, but you can=E2=80=99t ignore the conseq= uences of >> ignoring reality.=E2=80=9D -Ayn Rand >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Richard Bajjalieh >> wrote: >> >> Did you get the fully articulated version? There is a Aeron version that >> looks the same but lacks all the adjustments. >> >> I have had one for years; I have serious back issues, 2 collapsed discs >> in my lower lumbar, it=E2=80=99s the only chair I can sit in for an exte= nded time. >> When the seat broke I called HM to get a replacement part and they sent = me >> a new chair for free. Seriously don=E2=80=99t know how I=E2=80=99d work = without it. >> >> Everyone=E2=80=99s different but I=E2=80=99m surprised you couldn=E2=80= =99t find a comfortable >> position unless you had the =E2=80=98dumbed down=E2=80=99 version. >> >> *Rich Bajjalieh* >> >> *From:* Teddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv >> ] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:00 PM >> *To:* After Effects Mail List >> *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs? >> >> I thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arms had no good working >> positions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unimpressed >> -TG >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs >> wrote: >> really? i love my aeron=E2=80=99s >> >> are you short or tall perhaps? >> >> there are three sizes of aeron - on the top back under the lip feel and >> there are dimples - one for small, two for medium and three for large ch= air >> size >> >> i=E2=80=99m 5=E2=80=99 10 and the medium fits me great, just get it adju= sted right and >> you can also flip the lumbar over to have two levels of lower back suppo= rt >> (pull it up and off the chair back and flip it over - you can see there = are >> two =E2=80=9Cdepths=E2=80=9D then slide it back on) >> >> only people i=E2=80=99ve heard of that really did not like the aeron=E2= =80=99s in our >> previous office of 100+ were people either too big or too small for the >> medium sized chairs we had >> >> dann >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >> >> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced >> C4D, VRAY Render Farm >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> =E2=80=9CYou can ignore reality, but you can=E2=80=99t ignore the conseq= uences of >> ignoring reality.=E2=80=9D -Ayn Rand >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> >> Looking for good lower back support. Tried the Aeron chair for a while >> but hated it. Anything people swear by in this industry of sitting? Have= a >> reasonable budget for something well-built. >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >> teddygage dot com >> >> >> > > > -- > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com > > > --=20 _____________________________ VFX & Motion Graphic Artist teddygage dot com --089e01633b34da063c04fedefe43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And to add to that, I use to work at an office that had an= ergonomics specialist on staff. The thing that stuck with me she said even= though there are some general things you can do to improve RSIs and back p= ain, "it's not about a single perfect position or chair, it's = about changing your setup constantly" - change your chair height, arm = height, lumbar position, even chairs entirely, never stay in the same posit= ion day in day out. it's the repetition of singular stresses that wear = out that weak link in your body.=C2=A0

I am pretty sure I have some kind of sciatica, but I do yoga= with my wife, I lift weights, I do core and stamina training... I have los= t over 30lbs in the last year and it has improved my back pain dramatically= . But there's still only so much you can do when you sit all day, and I= am literally wearing out my current chair, so it's time for an upgrade= .=C2=A0

I also get up at least 2x an hour, I am easily distract= ed, so that's nice. Ironically I never had back pain when I was a smoke= r because of all the breaks I took. But all other aspects of my life have a= lso improved dramatically since I quit, so it's a fair trade.


On Wed,= Jul 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Brian Klein <AE-List@media-motion.tv&= gt; wrote:
My recommendation is to find a cha= ir=C2=A0that fits you best. It might be any of the Aeron models mentioned, = but you might find a perfectly suitable chair at Costco. Aeron's would = certainly look more impressive, if that is a factor. =C2=A0You might want t= o consult with an ergonomic specialist to help you make a good decision? It= might be worth it, especially if you are considering spending a lot of mon= ey on an Aeron.

Also, I have had bouts of low back pain myself, and my= =C2=A0recommendation would be to work with a good trainer to strengthen you= r core, and make sure you are getting up every 30 minutes to move around. S= taying in the same position hours on end is likely more of an issue=C2=A0th= an even sitting in a bad chair.

Hope that's helpful.
Brian


On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:

I might suggest that if you have lower= back issues, maybe you need to try a stool where you can keep moving and s= trengthen your core.

I am looking at a KORE Stool myself.=C2=A0http://www.korestool.com

Thanks.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
<= div>Oklahoma City

&quo= t;Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?"=C2=A0- Redd Fo= xx






On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Teddy Gage <= ;AE-List@media= -motion.tv> wrote:

Well Dann maybe I will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I am pre= tty sure I was in a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so like= I said, could have been a size issue. My problem with the arms had more to= do with angle and width than position adjustability though, which is not a= s easily fixed.=C2=A0

However I was hoping there were great alternatives and all I= 've seen suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at the top = end of my price range, although much cheaper than back surgery. Gotta go fi= nd a place I can try them out as opposed to ordering sight-unseen on the we= b.





On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dann= Stubbs <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
i=E2=80= =99ve got two of them at two desks side by side - put the settings the same= on each and i can get up and move from workstation to workstation and don= =E2=80=99t even feel like i=E2=80=99ve moved chairs.

also mine are now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look and f= eel like brand new.

i don=E2=80=99t have any exces= sive lint issues on them at all, wear mostly lightweight clothing (florida)= and cottons etc=E2=80=A6 maybe once a year i remember to take the vacuum h= ose and do a light dusting on the lower chair legs but no real shredding is= sues that i see, but i try hard for a fairly clean environment since it=E2= =80=99s computers ya know=E2=80=A6 helps them run cooler too and not build = up the heat mat of dust inside either.

i did see a few in our past office that people abused, = but they really are tough chairs. mine are the fully articulated one (i thi= nk those =E2=80=9Cdumbed down ones=E2=80=9D came later as a cost saving mea= sure to compete with the look alikes)

before i bit the bullet and got these (list price used = to be $1200 each when i got them) i used to get expensive =E2=80=9Coffice= =E2=80=9D chairs ($200-$300 each) and literally had to toss them away after= a year, two max - just crushed them with my long days sitting. these have = probably 12 =C2=A0hours a day for the past 16 years=E2=80=A6 some days prob= ably 24+ hours, some a bit less (i=E2=80=99m not good at taking vacations)<= /div>

i=E2=80=99m an ex athlete person (played hockey for 20+= years), still pretty solid and heavy for my size and age at 5=E2=80=99 10= =E2=80=9D - yeah with my age now i=E2=80=99ve got an extra 20 lbs hanging a= round but for the past twenty years i=E2=80=99ve been 200-225LB and the cha= irs don=E2=80=99t mind at all. not some skinny lightweight on them.

probably the best office tool i ever purchased. they ar= e a bit firm, but i personally like firm seats, beds etc=E2=80=A6 don=E2=80= =99t care for soft or mushy things.

but then again= , everyone is different but i=E2=80=99d be really sad if i lost these chair= s. sorry to hear you could not find a good setting for you=E2=80=A6

___________________________________________________________________

Dann Stubbs=C2=A0=C2=A0-=C2=A0=C2=A0dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital -=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.darkskydigital.com

http://www.RenderK= ing.com=C2=A0=C2=A0Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm
___________________________________________________________________

<= span face=3D"Verdana" style=3D"font-family:Verdana">=E2=80=9CYou can ignore= reality, but you can=E2=80=99t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality= .=E2=80=9D -Ayn Rand



On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Rich= ard Bajjalieh <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Did you get the fully articulated versi= on? There is a Aeron version that looks the same but lacks all the adjustme= nts.
=C2=A0
I have had one for years; I have serious back issues, 2 collapsed d= iscs in my lower lumbar, it=E2=80=99s the only chair I can sit in for an ex= tended time. When the seat broke I called HM to get a replacement part and = they sent me a new chair for free. Seriously don=E2=80=99t know how I=E2=80= =99d work without it.
=C2=A0
Everyone=E2=80=99s different but I=E2=80=99m surprised you couldn= =E2=80=99t find a comfortable position unless you had the =E2=80=98dumbed d= own=E2=80=99 version.
=C2=A0
Rich Bajjalieh
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From:=C2=A0Teddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion= .tv]=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:00 PMTo:=C2=A0After Effects Mail List
= Subject:=C2=A0Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs?
=C2=A0
I thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arms had no good working posit= ions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unimpressed
-TG

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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs &= lt;AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :
really? i love my aeron=E2=80=99s
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are you short or tall perhaps?
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= there are three sizes of aeron - on the top back under the lip feel and the= re are dimples - one for small, two for medium and three for large chair si= ze
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i=E2=80=99m 5=E2=80=99 10 and the medium fits = me great, just get it adjusted right and you can also flip the lumbar over = to have two levels of lower back support (pull it up and off the chair back= and flip it over - you can see there are two =E2=80=9Cdepths=E2=80=9D then= slide it back on)
=C2=A0
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only people i=E2=80=99ve heard of that really = did not like the aeron=E2=80=99s in our previous office of 100+ were people= either too big or too small for the medium sized chairs we had
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dann=
________________________________________________= ___________________
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Dann Stubbs= =C2=A0=C2=A0-=C2=A0=C2=A0dann@darkskydig= ital.com
Dark Sky Digital -=C2=A0=C2=A0http://www.darkskydigital.com<= /span>
=C2=A0
http://www.RenderKing.com=C2=A0=C2=A0Value Priced C4= D, VRAY Render Farm
_______________________________________________= ____________________
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=E2=80=9CYou can ignore real= ity, but you can=E2=80=99t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.=E2= =80=9D -Ayn Rand
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On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


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