From: "Dann Stubbs" Received: from atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5532174 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:02:12 +0200 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.209]) by atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6NH2AR8027780 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:02:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 12258 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 2014 17:02:10 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 23 Jul 2014 17:02:10 -0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_50A88870-A1DB-457D-B32D-8EB378CA7C5B" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:02:17 -0400 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) --Apple-Mail=_50A88870-A1DB-457D-B32D-8EB378CA7C5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 i myself do get up a lot. always up and down, also that is one reason i = got the two chairs, i liked it better getting up to move between them = rather then just rolling over to the other desk. in our previous office we had a RSI person come in too - there were some = common things most people did wrong, don=92t dangle your feet, nor chair = too low. back position etc - most adjusted but usually went back to = their old habits anyway. as a last resort before i bough the aerons = after giving up on all the =93office=94 chairs i even used one of those = knee chairs (anyone else remember those) like a kneeling scooter - it = was ok but just seemed to shift the body issues elsewhere for me. i had a few terrible years of wrist pain long ago, but the aerons and a = proper desk height cured that - been years since i=92ve had that carpel = tunnel pain=85 it is what fits you and your body best, i just have had excellent = results with my aerons so it=92s what suits you best (i bet at your = height you would need the large aeron for sure - most offices i go to = seem to be the medium) once you know the dimple thing about aerons i = will often check other chairs at other places to see the size - though = once you are used to seeing the different sizes you can usually tell the = apart easily enough. - one thing that i noticed with other =93padded=94 chairs is that i = would crush the padding and eventually i could feel myself sitting on = the hard plywood underneath (or plastic in some cases) not to get gross - but there is the dreaded H word that can come from = sitting too much - especially on hard surfaces and my first sign of that = issue all those years ago made me change my sitting habits right away. = very happy to say that i=92ve not ever had H issues since, i=92d like to = think the good support of the aeron as well as the vented design helps = with a good sitting temperature so your not too hot in your butt and = legs etc - etc another positive as we get older and our bodies fall = apart. again not to get gross or into too much info - my dad always had H = issues, so i grew up hearing all the issues with it and just thought = everyone had those problems at they got older and i supposed that i was = going to be the same way when i got older - and am so happy that i don=92t= have the same problems. i wonder if it was the chairs they had in their = offices that contributed. but we who make living sitting on our butts have many same worries like = lower back issue, etc=85 so better to share the info. chairs are like a = good bicycle - it needs to fit your size and body dimensions - they = aren=92t really one size fits all (though you can use one that way, long = term your body will feel it) good luck and i hope you can find a chair that fits your needs perfect. dann ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ =93You can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore the consequences of = ignoring reality.=94 -Ayn Rand On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > And to add to that, I use to work at an office that had an ergonomics = specialist on staff. The thing that stuck with me she said even though = there are some general things you can do to improve RSIs and back pain, = "it's not about a single perfect position or chair, it's about changing = your setup constantly" - change your chair height, arm height, lumbar = position, even chairs entirely, never stay in the same position day in = day out. it's the repetition of singular stresses that wear out that = weak link in your body.=20 >=20 > I am pretty sure I have some kind of sciatica, but I do yoga with my = wife, I lift weights, I do core and stamina training... I have lost over = 30lbs in the last year and it has improved my back pain dramatically. = But there's still only so much you can do when you sit all day, and I am = literally wearing out my current chair, so it's time for an upgrade.=20 >=20 > I also get up at least 2x an hour, I am easily distracted, so that's = nice. Ironically I never had back pain when I was a smoker because of = all the breaks I took. But all other aspects of my life have also = improved dramatically since I quit, so it's a fair trade. >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Brian Klein = wrote: > My recommendation is to find a chair that fits you best. It might be = any of the Aeron models mentioned, but you might find a perfectly = suitable chair at Costco. Aeron's would certainly look more impressive, = if that is a factor. You might want to consult with an ergonomic = specialist to help you make a good decision? It might be worth it, = especially if you are considering spending a lot of money on an Aeron. >=20 > Also, I have had bouts of low back pain myself, and my recommendation = would be to work with a good trainer to strengthen your core, and make = sure you are getting up every 30 minutes to move around. Staying in the = same position hours on end is likely more of an issue than even sitting = in a bad chair. >=20 > Hope that's helpful. > Brian >=20 >=20 > On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen = wrote: >=20 >> I might suggest that if you have lower back issues, maybe you need to = try a stool where you can keep moving and strengthen your core. >>=20 >> I am looking at a KORE Stool myself. http://www.korestool.com >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> Benny Christensen >> Producers Playhouse >> Oklahoma City >> 405-858-0700 >>=20 >> "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?" - Redd Foxx >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >>=20 >>> Well Dann maybe I will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I = am pretty sure I was in a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so = like I said, could have been a size issue. My problem with the arms had = more to do with angle and width than position adjustability though, = which is not as easily fixed.=20 >>>=20 >>> However I was hoping there were great alternatives and all I've seen = suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at the top end of my = price range, although much cheaper than back surgery. Gotta go find a = place I can try them out as opposed to ordering sight-unseen on the web. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dann Stubbs = wrote: >>> i=92ve got two of them at two desks side by side - put the settings = the same on each and i can get up and move from workstation to = workstation and don=92t even feel like i=92ve moved chairs. >>>=20 >>> also mine are now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look and feel like = brand new. >>>=20 >>> i don=92t have any excessive lint issues on them at all, wear mostly = lightweight clothing (florida) and cottons etc=85 maybe once a year i = remember to take the vacuum hose and do a light dusting on the lower = chair legs but no real shredding issues that i see, but i try hard for a = fairly clean environment since it=92s computers ya know=85 helps them = run cooler too and not build up the heat mat of dust inside either. >>>=20 >>> i did see a few in our past office that people abused, but they = really are tough chairs. mine are the fully articulated one (i think = those =93dumbed down ones=94 came later as a cost saving measure to = compete with the look alikes) >>>=20 >>> before i bit the bullet and got these (list price used to be $1200 = each when i got them) i used to get expensive =93office=94 chairs = ($200-$300 each) and literally had to toss them away after a year, two = max - just crushed them with my long days sitting. these have probably = 12 hours a day for the past 16 years=85 some days probably 24+ hours, = some a bit less (i=92m not good at taking vacations) >>>=20 >>> i=92m an ex athlete person (played hockey for 20+ years), still = pretty solid and heavy for my size and age at 5=92 10=94 - yeah with my = age now i=92ve got an extra 20 lbs hanging around but for the past = twenty years i=92ve been 200-225LB and the chairs don=92t mind at all. = not some skinny lightweight on them. >>>=20 >>> probably the best office tool i ever purchased. they are a bit firm, = but i personally like firm seats, beds etc=85 don=92t care for soft or = mushy things. >>>=20 >>> but then again, everyone is different but i=92d be really sad if i = lost these chairs. sorry to hear you could not find a good setting for = you=85 >>>=20 >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >>> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >>>=20 >>> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> =93You can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore the consequences = of ignoring reality.=94 -Ayn Rand >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Richard Bajjalieh = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Did you get the fully articulated version? There is a Aeron version = that looks the same but lacks all the adjustments. >>>> =20 >>>> I have had one for years; I have serious back issues, 2 collapsed = discs in my lower lumbar, it=92s the only chair I can sit in for an = extended time. When the seat broke I called HM to get a replacement part = and they sent me a new chair for free. Seriously don=92t know how I=92d = work without it. >>>> =20 >>>> Everyone=92s different but I=92m surprised you couldn=92t find a = comfortable position unless you had the =91dumbed down=92 version. >>>> =20 >>>> Rich Bajjalieh >>>> =20 >>>> From: Teddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=20 >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:00 PM >>>> To: After Effects Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best office chairs? >>>> =20 >>>> I thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arms had no good = working positions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unimpressed >>>> -TG >>>> =20 >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs = wrote: >>>> really? i love my aeron=92s >>>> =20 >>>> are you short or tall perhaps? >>>> =20 >>>> there are three sizes of aeron - on the top back under the lip feel = and there are dimples - one for small, two for medium and three for = large chair size >>>> =20 >>>> i=92m 5=92 10 and the medium fits me great, just get it adjusted = right and you can also flip the lumbar over to have two levels of lower = back support (pull it up and off the chair back and flip it over - you = can see there are two =93depths=94 then slide it back on) >>>> =20 >>>> only people i=92ve heard of that really did not like the aeron=92s = in our previous office of 100+ were people either too big or too small = for the medium sized chairs we had >>>> =20 >>>> dann >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> =20 >>>> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >>>> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >>>> =20 >>>> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> =20 >>>> =93You can ignore reality, but you can=92t ignore the consequences = of ignoring reality.=94 -Ayn Rand >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Looking for good lower back support. Tried the Aeron chair for a = while but hated it. Anything people swear by in this industry of = sitting? Have a reasonable budget for something well-built.=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> -- >>>> _____________________________ >>>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>>> teddygage dot com >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>> -- >>>> _____________________________ >>>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>>> teddygage dot com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> _____________________________ >>> VFX & Motion Graphic Artist >>> teddygage dot com >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > VFX & Motion Graphic Artist > teddygage dot com --Apple-Mail=_50A88870-A1DB-457D-B32D-8EB378CA7C5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 i = myself do get up a lot. always up and down, also that is one reason i = got the two chairs, i liked it better getting up to move between them = rather then just rolling over to the other desk.

in = our previous office we had a RSI person come in too - there were some = common things most people did wrong, don=92t dangle your feet, nor chair = too low. back position etc - most adjusted but usually went back to = their old habits anyway. as a last resort before i bough the aerons = after giving up on all the =93office=94 chairs i even used one of those = knee chairs (anyone else remember those) like a kneeling scooter - it = was ok but just seemed to shift the body issues elsewhere for = me.

i had a few terrible years of wrist pain = long ago, but the aerons and a proper desk height cured that - been = years since i=92ve had that carpel tunnel = pain=85

it is what fits you and your body best, = i just have had excellent results with my aerons so it=92s what suits = you best (i bet at your height you would need the large aeron for sure - = most offices i go to seem to be the medium) once you know the dimple = thing about aerons i will often check other chairs at other places to = see the size - though once you are used to seeing the different sizes = you can usually tell the apart easily = enough.

 - one thing that i noticed with = other =93padded=94 chairs is that i would crush the padding and = eventually i could feel myself sitting on the hard plywood underneath = (or plastic in some cases)

not to get gross - = but there is the dreaded H word that can come from sitting too much - = especially on hard surfaces and my first sign of that issue all those = years ago made me change my sitting habits right away. very happy to say = that i=92ve not ever had H issues since, i=92d like to think the good = support of the aeron as well as the vented design helps with a good = sitting temperature so your not too hot in your butt and legs etc - etc = another positive as we get older and our bodies fall = apart.

again not to get gross or into too much = info - my dad always had H issues, so i grew up hearing all the issues = with it and just thought everyone had those problems at they got older = and i supposed that i was going to be the same way when i got older - = and am so happy that i don=92t have the same problems. i wonder if it = was the chairs they had in their offices that = contributed.

but we who make living sitting on = our butts have many same worries like lower back issue, etc=85 so better = to share the info. chairs are like a good bicycle - it needs to fit your = size and body dimensions - they aren=92t really one size fits all = (though you can use one that way, long term your body will feel = it)

good luck and i hope you can find a chair = that fits your needs perfect.

dann
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On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

And to add to that, I use to work at an = office that had an ergonomics specialist on staff. The thing that stuck = with me she said even though there are some general things you can do to = improve RSIs and back pain, "it's not about a single perfect position or = chair, it's about changing your setup constantly" - change your chair = height, arm height, lumbar position, even chairs entirely, never stay in = the same position day in day out. it's the repetition of singular = stresses that wear out that weak link in your body. 

I am pretty sure I have some kind of sciatica, but I do = yoga with my wife, I lift weights, I do core and stamina training... I = have lost over 30lbs in the last year and it has improved my back pain = dramatically. But there's still only so much you can do when you sit all = day, and I am literally wearing out my current chair, so it's time for = an upgrade. 

I also get up at least 2x an hour, I am easily = distracted, so that's nice. Ironically I never had back pain when I was = a smoker because of all the breaks I took. But all other aspects of my = life have also improved dramatically since I quit, so it's a fair = trade.


On = Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Brian Klein <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
My recommendation = is to find a chair that fits you best. It might be any of the Aeron = models mentioned, but you might find a perfectly suitable chair at = Costco. Aeron's would certainly look more impressive, if that is a = factor.  You might want to consult with an ergonomic specialist to = help you make a good decision? It might be worth it, especially if you = are considering spending a lot of money on an Aeron.

Also, I have had bouts of low back pain myself, and = my recommendation would be to work with a good trainer to = strengthen your core, and make sure you are getting up every 30 minutes = to move around. Staying in the same position hours on end is likely more = of an issue than even sitting in a bad chair.

Hope that's helpful.
Brian


On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Benny Christensen = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I might suggest that = if you have lower back issues, maybe you need to try a stool where you = can keep moving and strengthen your core.

I am looking at a KORE Stool myself. http://www.korestool.com

Thanks.

Benny Christensen
Producers = Playhouse
Oklahoma City

"Who = are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?" - Redd Foxx






On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Teddy Gage = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Well Dann maybe I will look into trying the large Aeron, last time I am = pretty sure I was in a medium or even small, and I'm over six foot so = like I said, could have been a size issue. My problem with the arms had = more to do with angle and width than position adjustability though, = which is not as easily fixed. 

However I was hoping there were great alternatives and = all I've seen suggested is the steelcase leap so far... Which is at the = top end of my price range, although much cheaper than back surgery. = Gotta go find a place I can try them out as opposed to ordering = sight-unseen on the web.





On Tue, Jul 22, = 2014 at 6:12 PM, Dann Stubbs <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
i=92ve got two of them at two desks side = by side - put the settings the same on each and i can get up and move = from workstation to workstation and don=92t even feel like i=92ve moved = chairs.

also mine are now 16+ years old! (gasp) and still look = and feel like brand new.

i don=92t have any = excessive lint issues on them at all, wear mostly lightweight clothing = (florida) and cottons etc=85 maybe once a year i remember to take the = vacuum hose and do a light dusting on the lower chair legs but no real = shredding issues that i see, but i try hard for a fairly clean = environment since it=92s computers ya know=85 helps them run cooler too = and not build up the heat mat of dust inside either.

i did see a few in our past office that people = abused, but they really are tough chairs. mine are the fully articulated = one (i think those =93dumbed down ones=94 came later as a cost saving = measure to compete with the look alikes)

before i bit the bullet and got these (list price = used to be $1200 each when i got them) i used to get expensive =93office=94= chairs ($200-$300 each) and literally had to toss them away after a = year, two max - just crushed them with my long days sitting. these have = probably 12  hours a day for the past 16 years=85 some days = probably 24+ hours, some a bit less (i=92m not good at taking = vacations)

i=92m an ex athlete person (played hockey for 20+ = years), still pretty solid and heavy for my size and age at 5=92 10=94 - = yeah with my age now i=92ve got an extra 20 lbs hanging around but for = the past twenty years i=92ve been 200-225LB and the chairs don=92t mind = at all. not some skinny lightweight on them.

probably the best office tool i ever purchased. they = are a bit firm, but i personally like firm seats, beds etc=85 don=92t = care for soft or mushy things.

but then again, = everyone is different but i=92d be really sad if i lost these chairs. = sorry to hear you could not find a good setting for you=85

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On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Richard Bajjalieh = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Did you get the fully articulated version? There is a Aeron version = that looks the same but lacks all the adjustments.
 
I have had one for years; I have serious back issues, 2 collapsed = discs in my lower lumbar, it=92s the only chair I can sit in for an = extended time. When the seat broke I called HM to get a replacement part = and they sent me a new chair for free. Seriously don=92t know how I=92d = work without it.
 
Everyone=92s different but I=92m surprised you couldn=92t find a = comfortable position unless you had the =91dumbed down=92 version.
 
Rich Bajjalieh
 
From: = Teddy Gage [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:00 = PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Best = office chairs?
 
I thought the seat was uncomfortable and the arms had no good working = positions. Maybe it was a size thing, but I was unimpressed
-TG
 
On Tue, Jul = 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Dann Stubbs <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
really? i love = my aeron=92s
 
are you short or tall perhaps?
 
there are three sizes of aeron - on the top back under = the lip feel and there are dimples - one for small, two for medium and = three for large chair size
 
i=92m 5=92 10 = and the medium fits me great, just get it adjusted right and you can = also flip the lumbar over to have two levels of lower back support (pull = it up and off the chair back and flip it over - you can see there are = two =93depths=94 then slide it back on)
 
only people = i=92ve heard of that really did not like the aeron=92s in our previous = office of 100+ were people either too big or too small for the medium = sized chairs we had
 
dann
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On Jul 22, = 2014, at 4:00 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


Looking for = good lower back support. Tried the Aeron chair for a while but hated it. = Anything people swear by in this industry of sitting? Have a reasonable = budget for something well-built. 
 

 
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