From: Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.56] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5536882 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:14:16 +0200 Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XsVM1o0030b6N64A6tEGjY; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:14:16 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-247v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.2]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XtEG1o00C03VDaS8PtEGSd; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:14:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:14:15 +0000 (UTC) To: "Mail, After" Message-ID: <1287075046.26049408.1406567655735.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] Looking for Recommendations on Creating Blur Matte MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26049407_686346269.1406567655734" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:107.1.199.10] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.3_GA_5664 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF5.1 (Mac)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Looking for Recommendations on Creating Blur Matte Thread-Index: 9cpR84Gezr1MbXqOZD4VMRwHPD/E6A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1406567656; bh=ZBpNeah/ksS5GPdLZ9mOZXYyhfYLnn74ZGJQr9Xqwfs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=uVMzSCKlmUgGP3EJsPhCWuRBlCmg9s8JKCBK4OKEsTVaXMDSzA/vWyA0cQhUkvvS5 nmf+weRcx0A337Lk9cC4Mp01cu67+5YdYbB13Sv0+hrqejjAyDe+6y6IugzHXZvG+A swc70drxFadj84oV+l84jRcUshhomyt+b9vv+gR48r7hJjTgAOmKAJCr8RnfzrFzBv o9plVeS4sD5A/uAHOqm0pk+sEd+2GjISH49veyPdc7khBMrxIUP6DMOIrnWQKo2Ugv EZelWtgccYxZYkjhibadqN87CiQm8Bu0S95orU/7PoVMWC8mnTQV4f1WCgnk7JVgO0 JVymaeLLWjvaw== ------=_Part_26049407_686346269.1406567655734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wouldn't adding depth of field to such a shallow short look weird? you could mock up a frame and then tell them it cost a fortune so you could outsource to a rotoguy tt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail, After" To: "Mail, After" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:52:30 AM Subject: Re: [AE] Looking for Recommendations on Creating Blur Matte Hi Victoria, Another gentleman asked last night but I just now uploaded a still to show what I'm up against and it's pretty much various angles of this, now zoomed in quite a bit. For example, right now, the picture on the right no longer even shows. http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee327/kirkeric/OfficeStillKIRK.jpg Eric On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Victoria Nece < AE-List@media-motion.tv > wrote: Is the background already a little soft? I wonder if it might be possible to batch through the frames using Photoshop's new feature that automatically creates mattes based on out of focus pixels? Victoria On Jul 27, 2014 9:43 PM, "scott.aelist" < AE-List@media-motion.tv > wrote:
can you post a still or a redacted still? On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < AE-List@media-motion.tv > wrote:
Hello All, Ok, so I've got an odd one here. I am doing VFX for this movie and in two scenes, the folks basically filmed at a location in which they did not have pre-approval. Soooo, at first they wanted me to attempt to change the entire background so that you could not tell it was the original place. I spent many days changing out ceiling lights, adding an exit sign, a map on wall, etc but that did not seem to be enough. After exhausting myself trying to explain that what they were asking was for someone to completely rotoscope out several people, with lots of movement, etc and it just was not doable. I tried to roto even one person out but with the amount of movement, hair flying around, etc, it was not within my ability. I think even a roto expert would be shying away from this. So, that's the background. Now, the approach has changed to them asking me to give it more of like a camera depth thing where I just blur all of the background. That too has it's challenges but masking and feathering out a blur adjustment layer is definitely less noticeable than the roto deal. However, the amount of blur they want seems pretty excessive and as you might imagine, the more blur, the more likely it will be noticeable as you try to gradually feather out edges as the meet the person in the foreground. I was trying to do something like create a matte using the much lighter background (the wall is white) and then just blur that layer. So, I'm looking for ideas on an approach that one of you smart folks here might have. Thanks ahead. Eric -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/
-- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ ------=_Part_26049407_686346269.1406567655734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wouldn't adding depth of field to such= a shallow short look weird? you could mock up a frame and then tell them i= t cost a fortune so you could outsource to a rotoguy

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From: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv&g= t;
To: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: = Monday, July 28, 2014 9:52:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AE] Looking fo= r Recommendations on Creating Blur Matte

Hi Victoria,
 
Another gentleman asked last = night but I just now uploaded a still to show what I'm up against and it's = pretty much various angles of this, now zoomed in quite a bit.  For ex= ample, right now, the picture on the right no longer even shows.
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Eric


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Victoria Nece <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Is th= e background already a little soft? I wonder if it might be possible to bat= ch through the frames using Photoshop's new feature that automatically crea= tes mattes based on out of focus pixels?

Victoria

On Jul 27, 2014 9:43 PM, "scott.aelist" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
can you post a still or a redacted still?


On Sun, Jul 27, = 2014 at 5:40 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=
Hello All,

Ok, so I've got an odd one h= ere.  I am doing VFX for this movie and in two scenes, the folks basic= ally filmed at a location in which they did not have pre-approval.  So= ooo, at first they wanted me to attempt to change the entire background so = that you could not tell it was the original place.

I spent many days changing out ceiling lights, adding an exit sign, a map = on wall, etc but that did not seem to be enough.  After exhausting mys= elf trying to explain that what they were asking was for someone to complet= ely rotoscope out several people, with lots of movement, etc and it just wa= s not doable.  I tried to roto even one person out but with the amount= of movement, hair flying around, etc, it was not within my ability.
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I think even a roto expert would be shying away from thi= s.  So, that's the background.

Now, the appro= ach has changed to them asking me to give it more of like a camera depth th= ing where I just blur all of the background.  That too has it's challe= nges but masking and feathering out a blur adjustment layer is definitely l= ess noticeable than the roto deal.

However, the am= ount of blur they want seems pretty excessive and as you might imagine, the= more blur, the more likely it will be noticeable as you try to gradually f= eather out edges as the meet the person in the foreground.

I was trying to do something like create a matte using the much li= ghter background (the wall is white) and then just blur that layer.

So, I'm looking for ideas on an approach that one of you = smart folks here might have.

Thanks ahead.

Eric

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Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
= Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor = | VFX
 




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