From: Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.227] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5540673 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 03:49:44 +0200 Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRDo1o0011zF43Q01RpkVn; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 01:49:44 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-247v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.2]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRpj1o00W03VDaS8kRpj70; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 01:49:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 01:49:43 +0000 (UTC) To: "Mail, After" Message-ID: <80777916.29405233.1407116983557.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29405232_52059726.1407116983556" X-Originating-IP: [2601:7:a00:4ab:c4e1:d789:df24:e1b3] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.3_GA_5664 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF6 (Mac)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: VFX for Movie - Your Take on This Thread-Index: G/FGEJl4VWfKFBNsEOmPogTUJt4gnQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1407116984; bh=6OZYXyGozXDVBtHgUErPsnXmEipaQFOU0Tj8pcqS1yU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gVruZ4wI04Fzwu/6WqfjXALVzXqdnU6GPwOUN8yOrShhY8Xd2i8UxUO+1orBG/2NG bOyOptXagKR4J7C6dhikJJWu33D8l+v01sOabbN98FHKKOGoQnT0wbaj05xcQxxkN6 z6qqgrwiX+nr95fS76U8REkL7wdHcEEVQVtYKBt5v1LdCylSiZMObpRcXaCAzASgXv 6tA4NVu+oKOTLjdm9nvEBwsEci1fdfxjQVA518nCC3E/SSamq1zZYwuC2ojWJfZKvJ xl/iVtYKZt8KIvz7Ks8fSs6+uOdsYIozIgnWEewVC/lub4j2PlCZrdmPskdFfExstM JQRcuUZhXuHQw== ------=_Part_29405232_52059726.1407116983556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this reminds me of when of the first time we showed off what you could do with AE and the new tracking feature (I mean the first iteration - nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a client (tire retailer) said "we'll never have to shoot new footage with different tires - we'll just track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly they didn't understand how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy but it sounds like your client just doesn't get it. good luck with that, Tim T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail, After" To: "Mail, After" Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:18:43 PM Subject: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This All, A couple weeks ago, I posted a message about this ROTO effort that a producer wanted in which they hadn't had approval for a certain location and now wanted me to like change all of the background which was pretty much impossible. I was finally able to explain that it just could be done without being noticed and they wanted me to fake a depth of field thing, etc. Anyway, I'm off the hook on that. So, I'm on the same project and use that as a lead in to this. It's a time lapse thing where you see some young girls growing up, not sure, let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they want the guys beard to also change to more grays/whites in the latter half of the movie. I haven;t even begun to look yet but rest assured, you see the guy in probably 90% of the the remaining scenes. My initial response is, you have to be kidding me. Is this even a realistic objective to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard for half of a movie? It's a lot of action and movement, not like a paraplegic in a bed or something but before I jump on this as a pessimist, what is the take of the brains in this group? Thanks ahead. Eric -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ ------=_Part_29405232_52059726.1407116983556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this reminds me of when of the first t= ime we showed off what you could do with AE and the new tracking feature (I= mean the first iteration - nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a cl= ient (tire retailer) said "we'll never have to shoot new footage with diffe= rent tires - we'll just track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly th= ey didn't understand how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy but it s= ounds like your client just doesn't get it.

good luck with that,
Tim T

Fr= om: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
To: "Mail, = After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 20= 14 5:18:43 PM
Subject: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This
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All,

A couple weeks ago,= I posted a message about this ROTO effort that a producer wanted in which = they hadn't had approval for a certain location and now wanted me to like c= hange all of the background which was pretty much impossible.  I was f= inally able to explain that it just could be done without being noticed and= they wanted me to fake a depth of field thing, etc.  Anyway, I'm off = the hook on that.  So, I'm on the same project and use that as a lead = in to this.

It's a time lapse thing where you see = some young girls growing up, not sure, let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they w= ant the guys beard to also change to more grays/whites in the latter half o= f the movie.  I haven;t even begun to look yet but rest assured, you s= ee the guy in probably 90% of the the remaining scenes.

My initial response is, you have to be kidding me.  Is this even= a realistic objective to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard fo= r half of a movie?  It's a lot of action and movement, not like a para= plegic in a bed or something but before I jump on this as a pessimist, what= is the take of the brains in this group?

Thanks a= head.

Eric

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Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
= Hidden in the Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | V= FX
443.206.1347

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