From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5540681 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 04:06:43 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (cpe-174-103-227-20.new.res.rr.com [174.103.227.20]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKKIa-1XCTVn3iA2-001f5U; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 04:06:43 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EC8BF1A4-20D3-45A4-BC39-77B8D1C477A8" Message-Id: <59156F19-7448-4585-8637-41604A3A58DA@practicalillusions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1971.5\)) Subject: Re: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 21:06:40 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1971.5) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:jTMUYVK0tqaOkh1QdvM9Wf1r85ve37exlNywIbdaxYL OFqRlIaVndhDRyEZ8qX4dUuYTtYeC7r6MAYQ36yiQRpug1tcgs QOFmyzopI/QiCXTBRCFcjRRhNDCCg4tm9hb+6kpBstbfxCTNe2 +t99YkSoQFlHxmtLB0UWY0Mtone7S98btwq9RTY1tyhm1AXzP1 hYKLTn+1gkzAeZ6JFFwJcK+8MwKtzFfPM1qT4fufS5e9vtFBse dn0n0GZskjGCU9YZhUC4WB1HNI2DutOJ5U+Awcf7pYqUh+WP39 +ndlmEJelBnMycHwHtrFbigeUNKCirsip9+ZAGvqpI6TGeQ0Mf A59caKAeQFfDMnJsBWF5gHfj37mTQHdcE4Hzn4zpAWEKG/QBch clvqtIxpX+F9rZ83/mEPjuX3X0Mvgv+C0gExRDLVMN8TBvZ+5O 65SO1 --Apple-Mail=_EC8BF1A4-20D3-45A4-BC39-77B8D1C477A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 tell them you need to apply the reshoot filter=E2=80=A6 a few hundred $K = and it=E2=80=99ll fix everything thats wrong with their production. = I=E2=80=99d say run away from them. sure you can 3D track & solve every shot and apply CC as needed or even = CG beard if they have the money=E2=80=A6. or see answer #1 which will be = cheaper and faster. S > On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM, pixelbot wrote: >=20 > this reminds me of when of the first time we showed off what you could = do with AE and the new tracking feature (I mean the first iteration - = nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a client (tire retailer) said = "we'll never have to shoot new footage with different tires - we'll just = track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly they didn't understand = how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy but it sounds like your = client just doesn't get it. >=20 > good luck with that, > Tim T >=20 > From: "Mail, After" > To: "Mail, After" > Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:18:43 PM > Subject: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This >=20 > All, >=20 > A couple weeks ago, I posted a message about this ROTO effort that a = producer wanted in which they hadn't had approval for a certain location = and now wanted me to like change all of the background which was pretty = much impossible. I was finally able to explain that it just could be = done without being noticed and they wanted me to fake a depth of field = thing, etc. Anyway, I'm off the hook on that. So, I'm on the same = project and use that as a lead in to this. >=20 > It's a time lapse thing where you see some young girls growing up, not = sure, let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they want the guys beard to also = change to more grays/whites in the latter half of the movie. I haven;t = even begun to look yet but rest assured, you see the guy in probably 90% = of the the remaining scenes. >=20 > My initial response is, you have to be kidding me. Is this even a = realistic objective to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard = for half of a movie? It's a lot of action and movement, not like a = paraplegic in a bed or something but before I jump on this as a = pessimist, what is the take of the brains in this group? >=20 > Thanks ahead. >=20 > Eric --Apple-Mail=_EC8BF1A4-20D3-45A4-BC39-77B8D1C477A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 tell = them you need to apply the reshoot filter=E2=80=A6 a few hundred $K and = it=E2=80=99ll fix everything thats wrong with their production. I=E2=80=99= d say run away from them.

sure you can 3D track & = solve every shot and apply CC as needed or even CG beard if they have = the money=E2=80=A6. or see answer #1 which will be cheaper and = faster.

S

On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM, pixelbot <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

this reminds me of when of the first time we showed off what you = could do with AE and the new tracking feature (I mean the first = iteration - nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a client (tire = retailer) said "we'll never have to shoot new footage with different = tires - we'll just track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly they = didn't understand how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy but it = sounds like your client just doesn't get it.

good luck with that,
Tim = T

From: = "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>To: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:18:43 PM
Subject: [AE] = VFX for Movie - Your Take on This

All,

A couple weeks ago, I posted a = message about this ROTO effort that a producer wanted in which they = hadn't had approval for a certain location and now wanted me to like = change all of the background which was pretty much impossible.  I = was finally able to explain that it just could be done without being = noticed and they wanted me to fake a depth of field thing, etc. =  Anyway, I'm off the hook on that.  So, I'm on the same = project and use that as a lead in to this.

It's = a time lapse thing where you see some young girls growing up, not sure, = let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they want the guys beard to also change to = more grays/whites in the latter half of the movie.  I haven;t even = begun to look yet but rest assured, you see the guy in probably 90% of = the the remaining scenes.

My initial response = is, you have to be kidding me.  Is this even a realistic objective = to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard for half of a movie? =  It's a lot of action and movement, not like a paraplegic in a bed = or something but before I jump on this as a pessimist, what is the take = of the brains in this group?

Thanks = ahead.

Eric

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