From: "Henry Birdseye" Received: from mail-ie0-f173.google.com ([209.85.223.173] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5540685 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 04:08:09 +0200 Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id tr6so8911575ieb.32 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=MOUX8s2cDuYwxiLZ3jXSvyR6O9NyQKPWq+Zn38Y093c=; b=QBVSsT7iKRcix0LZSMS8GV5TGVVBxu7DZ8TtX5gRFmvIhylQRUQAO/BzNmPtdnY3KK 39F/kNKjWZr9TigXKXqjYgtJ7cT3Qs6Of7iLG8Uir5tb+tdW/oKD+YdTFWAbM2DtxOuR eOU0S7qatRNNMvYlb5EfRi0OjLcpPAo4nV+8hDO98rNhbdwTDIPdgTHg2LYLVjID7493 a3H8Gw8Vkycno1JyNQhk8Sj7L85K9BlRROjDTHuqlEP0nhuWEjt6mo3GyHFWWuyBEVPZ 1Bdz6mEMWbl2Qc6wN6fJaJOgI3l3AcU75fpJbZc78S4IYsaX0kVoBGIViTo2lOOzHpG3 hcrQ== X-Received: by 10.42.207.68 with SMTP id fx4mr27531991icb.67.1407118089229; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.9] (c-73-191-130-250.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [73.191.130.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o11sm41898722igi.5.2014.08.03.19.08.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53DEEAD6.4050007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 22:07:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020002050100090308070909" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020002050100090308070909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1 Run away On 8/3/2014 10:06 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: > tell them you need to apply the reshoot filter… a few hundred $K and > it’ll fix everything thats wrong with their production. I’d say run > away from them. > > sure you can 3D track & solve every shot and apply CC as needed or > even CG beard if they have the money…. or see answer #1 which will be > cheaper and faster. > > S > >> On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM, pixelbot > > wrote: >> >> this reminds me of when of the first time we showed off what you >> could do with AE and the new tracking feature (I mean the first >> iteration - nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a client (tire >> retailer) said "we'll never have to shoot new footage with different >> tires - we'll just track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly >> they didn't understand how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy >> but it sounds like your client just doesn't get it. >> >> good luck with that, >> Tim T >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mail, After" > > >> *To: *"Mail, After" > > >> *Sent: *Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:18:43 PM >> *Subject: *[AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This >> >> All, >> >> A couple weeks ago, I posted a message about this ROTO effort that a >> producer wanted in which they hadn't had approval for a certain >> location and now wanted me to like change all of the background which >> was pretty much impossible. I was finally able to explain that it >> just could be done without being noticed and they wanted me to fake a >> depth of field thing, etc. Anyway, I'm off the hook on that. So, >> I'm on the same project and use that as a lead in to this. >> >> It's a time lapse thing where you see some young girls growing up, >> not sure, let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they want the guys beard to >> also change to more grays/whites in the latter half of the movie. I >> haven;t even begun to look yet but rest assured, you see the guy in >> probably 90% of the the remaining scenes. >> >> My initial response is, you have to be kidding me. Is this even a >> realistic objective to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard >> for half of a movie? It's a lot of action and movement, not like a >> paraplegic in a bed or something but before I jump on this as a >> pessimist, what is the take of the brains in this group? >> >> Thanks ahead. >> >> Eric > --------------020002050100090308070909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +1 Run away


On 8/3/2014 10:06 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:
tell them you need to apply the reshoot filter… a few hundred $K and it’ll fix everything thats wrong with their production. I’d say run away from them.

sure you can 3D track & solve every shot and apply CC as needed or even CG beard if they have the money…. or see answer #1 which will be cheaper and faster.

S

On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM, pixelbot <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

this reminds me of when of the first time we showed off what you could do with AE and the new tracking feature (I mean the first iteration - nothing like what we have in Mocha AE) and a client (tire retailer) said "we'll never have to shoot new footage with different tires - we'll just track new tires onto the existing shots" clearly they didn't understand how and when to use FX, and I'm not a VFX guy but it sounds like your client just doesn't get it.

good luck with that,
Tim T

From: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
To: "Mail, After" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:18:43 PM
Subject: [AE] VFX for Movie - Your Take on This

All,

A couple weeks ago, I posted a message about this ROTO effort that a producer wanted in which they hadn't had approval for a certain location and now wanted me to like change all of the background which was pretty much impossible.  I was finally able to explain that it just could be done without being noticed and they wanted me to fake a depth of field thing, etc.  Anyway, I'm off the hook on that.  So, I'm on the same project and use that as a lead in to this.

It's a time lapse thing where you see some young girls growing up, not sure, let's say 10 yrs maybe and so they want the guys beard to also change to more grays/whites in the latter half of the movie.  I haven;t even begun to look yet but rest assured, you see the guy in probably 90% of the the remaining scenes.

My initial response is, you have to be kidding me.  Is this even a realistic objective to thing you can motion track and recolor a beard for half of a movie?  It's a lot of action and movement, not like a paraplegic in a bed or something but before I jump on this as a pessimist, what is the take of the brains in this group?

Thanks ahead.

Eric


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