From: "Brian Maffitt" Received: from mail-qg0-f47.google.com ([209.85.192.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5541816 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 22:36:22 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i50so1654576qgf.20 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=totaltraining.com; s=google; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:user-agent; bh=CKOAY1Lh9W7GclTwnPKEO13wXWbSLkaLzsmYx7/IyG4=; b=RWgcbFG5duLW8TeWXeHJoK3Ne+wD2Neyx0LICnCZfkidt6K+ckiofBDhHvmdHbh+O6 6NFjuWCPkTkJ/EjBWJXUOi3b8TYc08MjtqG3Cm2vIMRxoGoqTT9mLS6gStdqVXav+qKj aLhMzT+xcWuFWqC6ljO/tcUQzPd3nVvlcIjaw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:user-agent; bh=CKOAY1Lh9W7GclTwnPKEO13wXWbSLkaLzsmYx7/IyG4=; b=PdrLnMvPeTk/im5rcCYuMienW8Z+h6cPxoP2SddgBwK2GDhjih/V3yVrOBHoGn/u5s wxz6IHJkgFbxbysE0g2dqo+rgiteJlESuGpajjd/VqRiUzxjdLoT8NbcNGWMp39yukGN sUd6xgMB908PCB58YKBt4AUChiWf5spEJz46rLDQGKcvPEHKiE6W1WjIIz5SvHqN8QTs dVTXD8WNArnmw0LbDjlWS5BKFWDimF+6ji/3yeduARKAVRXcuYV6MDHxTbXysImGZsGo CCmb7KrFdgsvGLwDnjdQh2Y1h/ik+m7vuMZmJloabXKm9qVf6/2QPR3+IqTlARcvbP3+ 2jVw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnzAA+NPJr+AogWkuOXU0pBI+V+m0KiKxvi+ZvZ2b/rOGJynlHb2+yEW8T63jHypOyzqQKZ X-Received: by 10.140.30.180 with SMTP id d49mr8423331qgd.63.1407270982038; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-167-190-219.nycmny.fios.verizon.net. [71.167.190.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f4sm4749713qag.27.2014.08.05.13.36.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_29737526.088199442811" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras To: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Mailbird/ 1.7.18.0 X-Mailbird-ID: 2c1855b9-4e19-44cf-a243-c3ebb22d632f237410 ------=_NextPart_29737526.088199442811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree 100%. I'm a tech junkie, but I never wanted a TV that didn't work w= ithout glasses. While you are renting cams, consider renting a mid-to-high range DSLR and s= ee how you like it for video. Some people take to them quickly. And some ju= st love that it "looks like film" but have no idea what that actually means= in day-to-day production, and how hard it is to shoot a live event with sh= allow DOF, for example. Brian On 8/5/2014 4:27:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: Good points. I predicted a couple years back that those 3D TVs weren't goin= g to last. Who the hell wants to be tied to glasses. The only way a 3D TV w= ill make it is to find a solution to view 3D without glasses - period. :) M= y thoughts. lol Eric On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tony Romain wrote: Curious if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new delivery format? How like= ly is this? I can appreciate it as a tool for acquiring content as Brian mentions, but = not sure of the value as a final delivery format. Notice how 3d televisions= have gradually evaporated. Electronics makers are so desperate to claw som= e more cash away from consumers, I feel like these formats get seeded to us= in a some what insidious way. Is there a pressing need for 4K broadcasts? = I sometimes feel like HD on a relatively large monitor is almost too much f= idelity for most average size rooms=E2=80=A6 -- tony romain | principal/creative director trance motion graphic animation and design 323 651 1114 [tel:323%20651%201114] www.trancedesigns.com [http://www.trancedesigns.com] From: AE list Reply-To: AE list Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:13 PM To: AE list Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras It depends entirely on the kind of things you want to shoot. 4K currently has little real to-market delivery path, but it is a useful ac= quisition format for post work, since there are so many pixels to work with= , crop in on etc. "Shoot now-Frame later" is a viable strategy with 4K. And= it is relatively future-proof, I suppose, if we all believe 4K is an inevi= table delivery format. As for your second question, a DSLR is a fine way to aquire video if you ar= e accustomed to operating a film camera. If, however, you need things like = fast auto-focus while recording, wide field of focus and smooth, motorized = zoom, these things are harder to come by in the DSLR world. Also, unmodifie= d DSLRs in the US are not allowed to record a clip longer than 30 minutes (= for tax reasons!), so if you need to shoot long events, a "real" video came= ra is your best bet... or plan to budget for an external drive like the Bla= ckmagic HyperDeck Shuttle. I do shoot video with my 5D Mk III, but all of the add-ons make it much mor= e cumbersome than a dedicated video camera, especially for walking around. No issues that I'm aware of with any of this and AE. Brian -- Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions Hidden in the Woods | VFX The Night Visitor | VFX 443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com [http://www.kirkproductions.com] kirkproductions@gmail.com [mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com] IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm33513= 63/] ------=_NextPart_29737526.088199442811 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A = =0A =0A = =0A = =0A =0A = I agree 100%. I'm a tech junkie, but I never wanted a TV that didn'= t work without glasses.

While you are renting cams, consider renting a mid-to-high ra= nge DSLR and see how you like it for video. Some people take to them quickl= y. And some just love that it "looks like film" but have no idea what that = actually means in day-to-day production, and how hard it is to shoot a live= event with shallow DOF, for example.

Brian
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On 8/5/2014 4:27:23 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <ae-lis= t@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Good points.=C2=A0 I = predicted a couple years back that those 3D TVs weren't going to last.= =C2=A0 Who the hell wants to be tied to glasses.=C2=A0 The only way a 3D TV= will make it is to find a solution to view 3D without glasses - period.=C2= =A0:)=C2=A0 My thoughts. lol=C2=A0
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Eric


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tony Romain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Curio= us if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new delivery format? =C2=A0How lik= ely is this? =C2=A0

I can appreciate it as a tool for acquiring content as = Brian mentions, but not sure of the value as a final delivery format. =C2= =A0Notice how 3d televisions have gradually evaporated. =C2=A0Electronics m= akers are so desperate to claw some more cash away from consumers, I feel l= ike these formats get seeded to us in a some what insidious way. =C2=A0Is t= here a pressing need for 4K broadcasts? =C2=A0I sometimes feel like HD on a= relatively large monitor is almost too much fidelity for most average size= rooms=E2=80=A6



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tony romain | principal/creative director

trance
motion graphic animation and design
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From: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ;
Reply-To: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.= tv>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:13= PM
To: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Camera= s

It depends entirely on the kind= of things you want to shoot.

4= K currently has little real to-market delivery path, but it is a useful acq= uisition format for post work, since there are so many pixels to work with,= crop in on etc. "Shoot now-Frame later" is a viable strategy wit= h 4K. =C2=A0And it is relatively future-proof, I suppose, if we all believe= 4K is an inevitable delivery format.

As for your second question, a DSLR is a fine way to aquire video if yo= u are accustomed to operating a film camera. If, however, you need things l= ike fast auto-focus while recording, wide field of focus and smooth, motori= zed zoom, these things are harder to come by in the DSLR world. Also, unmod= ified DSLRs in the US are not allowed to record a clip longer than 30 minut= es (for tax reasons!), so if you need to shoot long events, a "real&qu= ot; video camera is your best bet... or plan to budget for an external driv= e like the Blackmagic HyperDeck Shuttle.

I do shoot video with my 5D Mk III, but al= l of the add-ons make it much more cumbersome than a dedicated video camera= , especially for walking around.
<= br>
No issues that I'm aware of with any of this and AE.
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Brian



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