From: "Philip Luckey" Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5541828 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:31:36 +0200 Received: by mail-yk0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q200so1034285ykb.12 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to; bh=a/M9fSEirr2d/+6X3naSXTQrsF17tfx4yCrMaOQRPLc=; b=Uf7UtQInRe/YynKCph5eFA0B74uQ8so1cR5tHhvWQnhu74OhEQMwliMbf+eme6XEvi SPrTCr2C11Z4t++X2vD6dTfORSe/MOadiGxeWgFswgD/bpINLiRGNEFsMlz9XOnYX53N CM0UH9vfJ23cL/GH+7RqmplBMQqbikoFsL5hR1GJSCXmY8cPSx1oBZRPX6RiHF6j60ub +O+FN+a381LUUp1FBYKuU2xKVnrEguMJmT5zbKBTE0GTIQR8SJgA84U5no/eIKv1DdhU bqDRlwXXZaTh4tg5xyrV3PTtCeikp4ZVBzdfKcBsp4iKBsJoMHh2kJGqbnFRGwUb+Bv6 eAaw== X-Received: by 10.236.154.134 with SMTP id h6mr2165534yhk.190.1407274296418; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.106.168.142] ([166.170.55.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b67sm4900993yhc.16.2014.08.05.14.31.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Aug 2014 14:31:35 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8C677A51-CE5F-407A-A3BD-989FD9C91064 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:31:35 -0400 To: After Effects Mail List --Apple-Mail-8C677A51-CE5F-407A-A3BD-989FD9C91064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI, there's no recording limit on USA version of the GH4 (you're limited o= nly by space on card and battery), unlike some other cameras. I've recorded 2= hour concerts with no stopping (in HD; on a 64GB card there's around 70 min= utes of time at 2160p24, iirc).=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2014, at 4:25 PM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" w= rote: >=20 > Thanks Brian and Robert, > =20 > Some good points. I'm also aware of the issue with that Black Magic camer= a and the scan lines or whatever it is. I've been in touch with one of the s= enior guys/salesman and mentioned all that as well. Definitely makes me wan= t to re-think whether I go there in the near future. It seems at this point= that maybe my Panasonic HMC150 is still a pretty good fella along with some= more mobile high end small HD cams. > =20 > I did also note that 30 min limit thing. Thanks. >=20 > Eric >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Brian Maffitt w= rote: >> It depends entirely on the kind of things you want to shoot. >>=20 >> 4K currently has little real to-market delivery path, but it is a useful a= cquisition format for post work, since there are so many pixels to work with= , crop in on etc. "Shoot now-Frame later" is a viable strategy with 4K. And= it is relatively future-proof, I suppose, if we all believe 4K is an inevit= able delivery format. >>=20 >> As for your second question, a DSLR is a fine way to aquire video if you a= re accustomed to operating a film camera. If, however, you need things like f= ast auto-focus while recording, wide field of focus and smooth, motorized zo= om, these things are harder to come by in the DSLR world. Also, unmodified D= SLRs in the US are not allowed to record a clip longer than 30 minutes (for t= ax reasons!), so if you need to shoot long events, a "real" video camera is y= our best bet... or plan to budget for an external drive like the Blackmagic H= yperDeck Shuttle. >>=20 >> I do shoot video with my 5D Mk III, but all of the add-ons make it much m= ore cumbersome than a dedicated video camera, especially for walking around.= >>=20 >> No issues that I'm aware of with any of this and AE. >>=20 >> Brian >>> On 8/5/2014 3:48:20 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote= : >>>=20 >>> Any thoughts out there on moving to 4K cameras? I've been studying up o= n the Black Magic and hearing also about the GH4. Maybe it's just me but is= a DSLR type camera a logical transition from the more customary video camer= a? I presume this is all no problem for using in after effects. >>> =20 >>> Appreciate the feedback. >>> =20 >>> Eric >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>> Hidden in the Woods | VFX >>> The Night Visitor | VFX >>> 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > Hidden in the Woods | VFX > The Night Visitor | VFX > 443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail-8C677A51-CE5F-407A-A3BD-989FD9C91064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI, there's  no recording limit o= n USA version of the GH4 (you're limited only by space on card and battery),= unlike some other cameras. I've recorded 2 hour concerts with no stopping (= in HD; on a 64GB card there's around 70 minutes of time at 2160p24, iirc).&n= bsp;

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2014, at 4:25 PM, "M= r. Eric D. Kirk" <AE-List@medi= a-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Brian and Robert,
 
Some goo= d points.  I'm also aware of the issue with that Black Magic camera and= the scan lines or whatever it is. I've been in touch with one of the senior= guys/salesman and mentioned all that as well.  Definitely makes m= e want to re-think whether I go there in the near future.  It seems at t= his point that maybe my Panasonic HMC150 is still a pretty good fella along w= ith some more mobile high end small HD cams.
 
I did also note that 30 min limit thing.  Thanks.=

Eric


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Brian Maffitt <AE-Lis= t@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20 =20
It depends entirely on the kind of things you want to shoot.
=
4K currently has little real to-market delivery pa= th, but it is a useful acquisition format for post work, since there are so m= any pixels to work with, crop in on etc. "Shoot now-Frame later" is a viable= strategy with 4K.  And it is relatively future-proof, I suppose, if we= all believe 4K is an inevitable delivery format.

As for your second question, a DSLR is a fine way to aquire video if you= are accustomed to operating a film camera. If, however, you need things lik= e fast auto-focus while recording, wide field of focus and smooth, motorized= zoom, these things are harder to come by in the DSLR world. Also, unmodifie= d DSLRs in the US are not allowed to record a clip longer than 30 minutes (f= or tax reasons!), so if you need to shoot long events, a "real" video camera= is your best bet... or plan to budget for an external drive like the Blackm= agic HyperDeck Shuttle.

I do shoot video with my 5D Mk III, but all of the add-ons make= it much more cumbersome than a dedicated video camera, especially for walki= ng around.

No is= sues that I'm aware of with any of this and AE.

Brian

On 8/5/2014 3:48:20 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <ae-list@media-motion.tv>= wrote:

Any thoughts out there on moving to 4K cameras?  I= 've been studying up on the Black Magic and hearing also about the GH4. = ; Maybe it's just me but is a DSLR type camera a logical transition from the= more customary video camera?  I presume this is all no problem for usi= ng in after effects.
 
Appreciate the feedback.
 
Er= ic

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Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
Hidden in th= e Woods | VFX
The Night Visitor | VFX
www.kirkpr= oductions.com
kirkproductio= ns@gmail.com
 



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Hidden in the Woods | VFX
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