From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Christensen?=" Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.135] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5541849 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:54:45 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B60B3B805B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:54:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=desilence.net; h=from :content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to; s=desilence.net; bh=XwG9FCHuT5eUiBPFht1nOBQePzg=; b=TV8/2b+Gy/lQthocTw+uCKJNOj+2cI1/Pjk4yo2CnxpV86Hg0Q5rfLYc6gKh+ ZfBR9GRNjDwcu5z/AxlAPv4y2CnTXNhkkaJRySSU1FhHSIlKdfCbdRbvir3FZRIF 4IyJ3VyJMFOlbSisTJV/HChLSEE34D+IqjRhwUnZnOvVNo= Received: from [192.168.1.48] (67.Red-79-156-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net [79.156.34.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: soren@dslnc.com) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C4293B8059 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1CCF145-8CCC-42BC-A7D3-5FCC52DAE2F4" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 23:54:40 +0200 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) --Apple-Mail=_C1CCF145-8CCC-42BC-A7D3-5FCC52DAE2F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I see 4k as an 'extra HQ' addon for on-demand movie services to begin = with - 4k 24p 8bit stuff h265/hevc encoded should be able to look acceptable = enough around 15mbit/s (redray is around 20 mbit/s and is 4:2:2 12bit as = far as I recall?) The question is the adoption rate of smart tvs and decoder boxes with = h265 support. But I have to admit that I find it far more interesting = that the format actually supports 10bit color. Not sure about the adoption rate of 4k tvs but here in Spain you can get = 4k tvs quite cheap already. However. Each time an extra evolutionary step is taking on the = technology latter towards image quality and better fidelity the enduser = always ends up with even harder compressed-to-death content... But physical disc formats for higher-end encodings seems like science = fiction in a near future - will h265 also be the format for the = videophiles and home theatres re-buying and re-watching star wars for = the xxxxx time? Cheers, S=F8ren |||| D E S I L E N C E S T U D I O |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) |||| SOCIAL twitter.dslnc.com facebook.dslnc.com |||| SHOWREEL 2014 www.dslnc.com/reel/ On 05 Aug 2014, at 22:21, Tony Romain wrote: > Curious if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new delivery format? = How likely is this? =20 >=20 > I can appreciate it as a tool for acquiring content as Brian mentions, = but not sure of the value as a final delivery format. Notice how 3d = televisions have gradually evaporated. Electronics makers are so = desperate to claw some more cash away from consumers, I feel like these = formats get seeded to us in a some what insidious way. Is there a = pressing need for 4K broadcasts? I sometimes feel like HD on a = relatively large monitor is almost too much fidelity for most average = size rooms=85 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C1CCF145-8CCC-42BC-A7D3-5FCC52DAE2F4 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C5403308-B2FB-4045-A799-83FFBB5C405F" --Apple-Mail=_C5403308-B2FB-4045-A799-83FFBB5C405F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

I see 4k as an 'extra HQ' = addon for on-demand movie services to begin with -
4k = 24p 8bit stuff h265/hevc encoded should be able to look acceptable = enough around 15mbit/s (redray is around 20 mbit/s and is 4:2:2 12bit as = far as I recall?)
The question is the adoption rate of smart = tvs and decoder boxes with h265 support. But I have to admit that I find = it far more interesting that the format actually supports 10bit = color.
Not sure about the adoption rate of 4k tvs but here in = Spain you can get 4k tvs quite cheap = already.

However. Each time an extra = evolutionary step is taking on the technology latter towards image = quality and better fidelity the enduser always ends up with even harder = compressed-to-death content...
But physical disc formats for = higher-end encodings seems like science fiction in a near future - will = h265 also be the format for the videophiles and home theatres re-buying = and re-watching star wars for the xxxxx = time?

Cheers,
S=F8ren








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On 05 Aug 2014, at 22:21, Tony Romain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Curious if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new delivery format? =  How likely is this?  

I can appreciate it as a tool for = acquiring content as Brian mentions, but not sure of the value as a = final delivery format.  Notice how 3d televisions have gradually = evaporated.  Electronics makers are so desperate to claw some more = cash away from consumers, I feel like these formats get seeded to us in = a some what insidious way.  Is there a pressing need for 4K = broadcasts?  I sometimes feel like HD on a relatively large monitor = is almost too much fidelity for most average size rooms=85


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