From: "Brian Maffitt" Received: from mail-qg0-f50.google.com ([209.85.192.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5541863 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:04:46 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id q108so1789536qgd.37 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=totaltraining.com; s=google; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:user-agent; bh=SIrXo+c89qSlOA2j2mZFUyAPIW08oUxhq6a1iBeSeCo=; b=NuppOS6FlYGpYf2D+BC3ceqQnVTuSQFtzN+JbASvrTx8pudQUvbo3YPvjdE+azumpd Gh4/MQ99PPn8JOnxR4jFqU3cX0H6k/LROsClUAzzlylKmAH41N4IXunNExrGHtWB0JrO bf0WV6cSYxI58wN/Aw/ls5DLOLyXCQXGr1mVo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:user-agent; bh=SIrXo+c89qSlOA2j2mZFUyAPIW08oUxhq6a1iBeSeCo=; b=IR27zIcQlrdziHY5pwex43wF73BaV47YCKcSNDuXHBmdrM2zLucGzFI6/Wr4S0QP74 Lqth3tC5NUL++Xp5QP3IWI5ncG24EkhXJYj78aAX2yVCWRoi+9OOCEViOGoaQtb0100w eYlhX87fR6k1cBXt5hvSWlVK0cxcKXEv0Ur3NyRFqbROmDBdwOmw52l3MPPcQCRYNvwx vCmizCKozuJNF9MeBKli5Cl4P1hQ7ZNRxGy+hJpoyYf9/mMkph006G670etKRF42qj8a +fo2xv1S6JMd28W6I5w10cQAohKzSxaqkqBhATl59JQ4FqTmMKUJCa1obdlrSvQM9pB9 L7fg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn6gs1wcIKsqdevfTyUP5IcRjn783bUhBatUDD+AAfAG69znlKsFhJebHeR5Atjla46TIZe X-Received: by 10.224.46.8 with SMTP id h8mr10734824qaf.6.1407276285730; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-167-190-219.nycmny.fios.verizon.net. [71.167.190.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b102sm3199203qge.9.2014.08.05.15.04.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Aug 2014 15:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_52242816.187494085922" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras To: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=B8ren_Christensen?= In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 18:04:47 -0400 Message-ID: <2a0c1b80-bbe9-455b-83ee-55b30ff325ca@getmailbird.com> References: User-Agent: Mailbird/ 1.7.18.0 X-Mailbird-ID: 2c1855b9-4e19-44cf-a243-c3ebb22d632f237436 ------=_NextPart_52242816.187494085922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can get 4K TVs and Monitors pretty cheaply in the US too, but there's n= o content to display on such devices... no widespread 4K Blu-Ray, no 4K bro= adcast that I am aware of. Sony is talking about a new player, but still, w= here does the content come from? There are some 4K vimeo and YouTube clips = showing up, but that's all I've seen so far. -B On 8/5/2014 5:54:54 PM, S=C3=B8ren Christensen wr= ote: I see 4k as an 'extra HQ' addon for on-demand movie services to begin with - 4k 24p 8bit stuff h265/hevc encoded should be able to look acceptable enoug= h around 15mbit/s (redray is around 20 mbit/s and is 4:2:2 12bit as far as = I recall?) The question is the adoption rate of smart tvs and decoder boxes with h265 = support. But I have to admit that I find it far more interesting that the f= ormat actually supports 10bit color. Not sure about the adoption rate of 4k tvs but here in Spain you can get 4k= tvs quite cheap already. However. Each time an extra evolutionary step is taking on the technology l= atter towards image quality and better fidelity the enduser always ends up = with even harder compressed-to-death content... But physical disc formats for higher-end encodings seems like science ficti= on in a near future - will h265 also be the format for the videophiles and = home theatres re-buying and re-watching star wars for the xxxxx time? Cheers, S=C3=B8ren |||| D E S I L E N C E =C2=A0 S T U D I O |||| =C2=A0www.dslnc.com [http://www.dslnc.com/]=C2=A0- motion & interactiv= ity |||| =C2=A0+34 93 268 0953 =C2=A0/ =C2=A0+34 61 555 9963 (mobile) ||||=C2=A0SOCIAL=C2=A0=C2=A0twitter.dslnc.com [http://twitter.dslnc.com/]= =C2=A0=C2=A0facebook.dslnc.com [http://facebook.dslnc.com/] ||||=C2=A0SHOWREEL 2014=C2=A0=C2=A0www.dslnc.com/reel/ [http://v5.dslnc.com= /reel/] On 05 Aug 2014, at 22:21, Tony Romain wrote: Curious if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new delivery format? =C2=A0Ho= w likely is this? =C2=A0 I can appreciate it as a tool for acquiring content as Brian mentions, but = not sure of the value as a final delivery format. =C2=A0Notice how 3d telev= isions have gradually evaporated. =C2=A0Electronics makers are so desperate= to claw some more cash away from consumers, I feel like these formats get = seeded to us in a some what insidious way. =C2=A0Is there a pressing need f= or 4K broadcasts? =C2=A0I sometimes feel like HD on a relatively large moni= tor is almost too much fidelity for most average size rooms=E2=80=A6 ------=_NextPart_52242816.187494085922 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A = =0A =0A = =0A = =0A =0A = You can get 4K TVs and Monitors pretty cheaply in the US too, but t= here's no content to display on such devices... no widespread 4K Blu-Ray, n= o 4K broadcast that I am aware of. Sony is talking about a new player, but = still, where does the content come from? There are some 4K vimeo and YouTub= e clips showing up, but that's all I've seen so far. -B
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On 8/5/2014 5:54:54 PM, S=C3=B8ren Christensen <ae-= list@media-motion.tv> wrote:


I see 4k as an = 'extra HQ' addon for on-demand movie services to begin with -
4k 24p 8bit stuff h265/hevc encoded should be able to look acceptable en= ough around 15mbit/s (redray is around 20 mbit/s and is 4:2:2 12bit as far = as I recall?)
The question is the adoption rate of smart tvs and = decoder boxes with h265 support. But I have to admit that I find it far mor= e interesting that the format actually supports 10bit color.
Not = sure about the adoption rate of 4k tvs but here in Spain you can get 4k tvs= quite cheap already.

However. Each time an extra = evolutionary step is taking on the technology latter towards image quality = and better fidelity the enduser always ends up with even harder compressed-= to-death content...
But physical disc formats for higher-end enco= dings seems like science fiction in a near future - will h265 also be the f= ormat for the videophiles and home theatres re-buying and re-watching star = wars for the xxxxx time?

Cheers,
S=C3=B8= ren








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On 05 Aug 2014, at 22:21, Tony Romain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Curious if anyone thinks 4k will become a the new deliver= y format?  How likely is this?  

I can appreciate it as a= tool for acquiring content as Brian mentions, but not sure of the value as= a final delivery format.  Notice how 3d televisions have gradually ev= aporated.  Electronics makers are so desperate to claw some more cash = away from consumers, I feel like these formats get seeded to us in a some w= hat insidious way.  Is there a pressing need for 4K broadcasts?  = I sometimes feel like HD on a relatively large monitor is almost too much f= idelity for most average size rooms=E2=80=A6


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