Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv — Message #54789
From: Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:46:16 -0400
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>

Steve,

For me, my question is purely about keeping up with current technology and whether it's a needed upgrade.  Everything I've heard tells me....perhaps yes but not necessary in near term.

No clients asking for it and otherwise no demand.

Eric

On Aug 5, 2014 8:39 PM, "Steve Oakley" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
and the problem with theory vs reality is reality. having seen 4K many times ( shoot, edit, project all 4K ) there is a difference that you can perceive even under less than ideal viewing conditions. until you get to see good 4K I’d suggest holding off a bit on judgement as to if its worth it or not. 10bit color space is also a big deal which is part of the up coming standard for 4K.

as for getting a camera - are you making money as a shooter ? are your clients asking for 4K ? or do you think you can keep them by pushing it if you have a 4K camera ? and do they expect a RED / Alexa / C500 or will anything do ?

S


On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Nathan Shipley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

To Tony's comment about the actual necessity of 4K as a delivery format, "I sometimes feel like HD on a relatively large monitor is almost too much fidelity for most average size rooms…", it's a good time to revisit Stu's blog post about 4K TVs in the home from January of 2013:

http://prolost.com/blog/2013/1/22/4k-in-the-home.html

The chart basically shows that at a close 6' viewing distance, one would need something like a 100" TV to see the full benefit of 4K over regular 1080 content.  Which is a massive TV.  The article nicely and succinctly explains why good black levels and contrast ratio are more important than actual resolution when it comes to perceived display resolution.  He notes that 4K makes sense "if you’ve got a projector, a huge screen, a close seating distance, and perfect eyesight."  It's a good blog post to have in your back pocket when people start talking about this stuff or a friend is buying a TV.

Will 4K become a "thing" as a delivery format anyway?   Maybe.  Probably?  It'll probably compressed to hell while render times will quadruple and storage requirements will go up.

People's points about the benefits of it as an acquisition format with 1080 delivery are solid, though -- camera tests I've watched of the 4K Blackmagic camera downresed to 1080 versus other cameras capturing native 1080 are impressive.  There is detail and sharpness for days.

Regardless, Stu's post and the included chart is worth a look.  Check it out.
 - Nathan


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
There's a bit of 4K stuff over at the ProVideo Coalition, including a roundtable and a new FAQ:



Considering that most Hollywood films aren't even made at 4K I don't see a flood of compelling native 4K content coming anytime soon.


-Chris

On 06/08/2014, at 5:47 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Any thoughts out there on moving to 4K cameras?  I've been studying up on the Black Magic and hearing also about the GH4.  Maybe it's just me but is a DSLR type camera a logical transition from the more customary video camera?  I presume this is all no problem for using in after effects.
 
Appreciate the feedback.
 
Eric

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