From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5545074 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 19:22:11 +0200 Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kx10so7503412pab.6 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=OqQAk+Fkmy3lolrujLcSqIh+VqRxeTRZrZATAO7W/DI=; b=fnTe2uUHH4aaJw0l9X2e11RJB9F+gO58KVNbVGLbSY7EKTU8Cbs9yo4p2tqzbNW3Hy stv8xvOWx9tJy5mX47/ixQnLlhWihNW3b6TZZFvoSrOCq1ey0YmsEkpei7Syq/xFrgOt AWEdg4BmY/nGTANbSqugwTOm9dV/Mr8AiGkPzj5wySVUs8ErQC4YPg9X6N0XL3BxMXbn BdV3rD1+HuYJpyQJ+UEUhw1BHMgR48JQ0tJQAXXVv27T+JSiliCvUC4kqD6b+H7wflRc 97JvvoM9oLiDanLSWk+LRt8w5h1uHxrW5iIjOY6081sjLT23LhWR9+udBhfQiWRqhURD fo/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlpI2C/f5GbFS76+yHIeE99L78adOpyhjDZqB8E9OhHXlsR5G5szh2jjvMAKUq4GtZ36Ozp X-Received: by 10.68.231.138 with SMTP id tg10mr25558146pbc.72.1407518530429; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:22:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.137.33 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:21:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 19:21:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Use of 4K Cameras To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b339ccf05804e0500217229 --047d7b339ccf05804e0500217229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As impressive as 4k can look on a good display, i would also take deep blacks anytime over any increase in resolution. Hopefully OLED will come through in the consumer space too, the Sony OLED pro broadcast monitors look really nice, but untill that happens im holding on to my trusty 9th generation Pioneer Kuro :-) Robert 2014-08-08 19:08 GMT+02:00 S=C3=B8ren Christensen = : > The oled panels to me really stands out, the black levels are incredible = - > I take that over 4k (If I wasn't a projector man - no tv at home ;-) > > > > > On 08 Aug 2014, at 15:59, rendernyc wrote: > > i was in a best buy a couple months back and there was a samsung UHD pane= l > on the end cap of an aisle and the difference in the panel itself was > stunning compared to the other sets on display. > > it was 50, maybe 55", nothing enormous but everything about that panel > stood out over the other sets. > > the angle of view, colors, detail were all amazing and you dont have to b= e > a pro to see that difference. > > so while at that size resolution might not really matter mathematically, > the panel itself was a major improvement over the HD versions > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, ML meassi wrote= : > >> Yes, you're right if it's a pro that look at the video. >> Most customers percive things in a different manner. >> Even a 300 fps slow motion Full HD video have more impact than 4k video >> in my experience. >> >> We shoot 4k half of the times but this, most of the times, is a choice w= e >> make for technical aspects (reframing, CK, track, etc). >> As here the end use is always on 2k or less resolution most of the >> customers / agencies don't ask for 4k. >> >> GL >> >> Il 06/08/14 02:37, Steve Oakley ha scritto: >> >> and the problem with theory vs reality is reality. having seen 4K many >> times ( shoot, edit, project all 4K ) there is a difference that you can >> perceive even under less than ideal viewing conditions. until you get to >> see good 4K I=E2=80=99d suggest holding off a bit on judgement as to if = its worth >> it or not. 10bit color space is also a big deal which is part of the up >> coming standard for 4K. >> >> >> > > > -- > danny princz > > vimeo.com/rendernyc > > > --047d7b339ccf05804e0500217229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As impressive as 4k can look on a good display, i would al= so take deep blacks anytime over any increase in resolution.

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Hopefully OLED will come through in the consumer space too, the Sony O= LED pro broadcast monitors look really nice, but untill that happens im hol= ding on to my trusty 9th generation Pioneer Kuro :-)

Robert



2014-08-08 19:08 GMT+02:00 = S=C3=B8ren Christensen <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
The= oled panels to me really stands out, the black levels are incredible - I t= ake that over 4k (If I wasn't a projector man - no tv at home ;-)




On 08 Aug 2014, at 15:59, rendernyc <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
i was in a best buy a couple= months back and there was a samsung UHD panel on the end cap of an aisle a= nd the difference in the panel itself was stunning compared to the other se= ts on display.=C2=A0

it was 50, maybe 55", nothing enormous but everything about that = panel stood out over the other sets.

the angle of = view, colors, detail were all amazing and you dont have to be a pro to see = that difference.

so while at that size resolution might not really matte= r mathematically, the panel itself was a major improvement over the HD vers= ions


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, ML meassi <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Yes, you're right if it's a pro that look at the video.
Most customers percive things in a different manner.
Even a 300 fps slow motion Full HD video have more impact than 4k video in my experience.

We shoot 4k half of the times but this, most of the times, is a choice we make for technical aspects (reframing, CK, track, etc).
As here the end use is always on 2k or less resolution most of the customers / agencies don't ask for 4k.

GL

Il 06/08/14 02:37, Steve Oakley ha scritto:
=20 and the problem with theory vs reality is reality. having seen 4K many times ( shoot, edit, project all 4K ) there is a difference that you can perceive even under less than ideal viewing conditions. until you get to see good 4K I=E2=80=99d suggest holding = off a bit on judgement as to if its worth it or not. 10bit color space is also a big deal which is part of the up coming standard for 4K.




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