From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from production003.einsteinsname02.net ([67.228.43.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5548032 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 05:05:07 +0200 Received: from 99-152-153-100.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net ([99.152.153.100]:56205 helo=[192.168.1.68]) by production003.einsteinsname02.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XHlLc-0000kP-Du for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:05:04 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BA96034C-7AEE-460D-82AD-CF43CB42B8A1" Message-Id: <71713FC1-4F60-46FA-B141-9E51BF973501@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] What's the state of Ae on new MacPros? Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:05:03 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-EinsteinsEyes-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EinsteinsEyes-MailScanner-ID: 1XHlLc-0000kP-Du X-EinsteinsEyes-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-EinsteinsEyes-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-EinsteinsEyes-MailScanner-From: jpcurtis@me.com X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - production003.einsteinsname02.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - me.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: production003.einsteinsname02.net: authenticated_id: jim@hartprods.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_BA96034C-7AEE-460D-82AD-CF43CB42B8A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I've been reading some articles today whose authors call the GTX series = a gaming card, and that the Quadro is the series for professionals. And = they're about a thousand dollars more expensive. Downside for GTX is = said to be they run louder and hotter. Any thoughts on that? I don't mind paying more to get the best for my needs. Being on Mac, my = choices are more limited. I don't want to run a hack. Dependability = and support is critical. Why did you go with a GTX and not a Quadro? =20 On Aug 13, 2014, at 9:42 PM, rendernyc wrote: > The quadro 4000 is a very weak CUDA card... its misleading due to = naming and marketing. >=20 > i sold mine a while back and bought a GTX570 2.5GB card and see a = performance increase of 2-3X >=20 > i would check out a card like a 770 or 780 perhaps... something like = that and the CUDA performance will receive a huge boost >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: > Hey Steve, >=20 > Didn't you used to have a Quadro 4000 in your MacPro3,1?. =20 >=20 > That's what I have now, and I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to = upgrade. Other than the CUDA card, our systems are pretty similar, and = I >=20 > I get a variety of source footage=85 a lot of MP4 variants, and lately = 2K ProRes4444 from an Alexa. My system can't play that unprocessed in = real-time at Full quality. That's curious, because I can play 4 streams = of 1080 ProRes 422 easily. CUDA seems to make a big difference in = playback of the PR4444. WIth it off, my CPU meters max out; with it on, = they go down around 50%. =20 >=20 > Being able to play at least one stream scaled to 1080 with some = accelerated color effects at full res without dropping frames would be = nice. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Steve Oakley = wrote: >=20 >> my 2008 mac tower, K5000, SSD system drive, 3X3TB raid eats thru 1080 = editing all day long with good responsiveness. I=92m talking 8-10 layers = in PP with 1-2 video layers where one is often some h.264 format, 1 = ProRes, maybe one ProRes 4444 + alpha, static graphics, lumetri from = speed grade. where this system probably suffers is decoding the h.264 = formats where 2-3 layers will get boggish a bit.=20 >>=20 >> OTH I am finishing a shot in 4K GH4 edited in 1080 on my imac i7 and = its gone well. since its a 2.93gh / much faster ram bus machine it = decodes h.264 a lot more smoothly than the 2008 machine. >>=20 >> so a used 5.1 tower should be a consideration if you want the PCIe = slots, and a loaded 27=94 iMac with nV GPU could be a really nice = compact machine. I=92m somewhat waiting for an update iMac with 6core = i7. >>=20 >> S >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Tony Romain = wrote: >>>=20 >>> This is exactly what I've been hearing as well. Unless the software = is written from the ground up to take advantage of the updated hardware = specs/architecture on the new mac pros, the speed boost is negligible.. = Especially for the price. >>>=20 >>> Would def just spend your money upgrading video cards, ram, = DEFINITELY replace your system drive with an SSD as well as get an = additional SSD for use as a AE disk cache=85 they are super cheap these = days >>>=20 >>> Can't stress enough how awesome the switch to an SSD system drive = was=85 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > danny princz >=20 > vimeo.com/rendernyc --Apple-Mail=_BA96034C-7AEE-460D-82AD-CF43CB42B8A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I've = been reading some articles today whose authors call the GTX series a = gaming card, and that the Quadro is the series for professionals. =  And they're about a thousand dollars more expensive. =  Downside for GTX is said to be they run louder and = hotter.

Any thoughts on = that?

I don't mind paying more to get the best = for my needs.  Being on Mac, my choices are more limited.  I = don't want to run a hack.  Dependability and support is = critical.

Why did you go with a GTX and not a = Quadro? =  




= On Aug 13, 2014, at 9:42 PM, rendernyc <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

The quadro 4000 is a very weak CUDA = card... its misleading due to naming and marketing.

i = sold mine a while back and bought a GTX570 2.5GB card and see a = performance increase of 2-3X

i would check out a card like a 770 or 780 = perhaps... something like that and the CUDA performance will receive a = huge boost


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hey Steve,

Didn't you used to have = a Quadro 4000 in your MacPro3,1?.  

That's what I have now, and I'm wondering if it'd be = worth it to upgrade.  Other than the CUDA card, our systems are = pretty similar, and I

I get a variety of source footage=85 a lot = of MP4 variants, and lately 2K ProRes4444 from an Alexa.  My system = can't play that unprocessed in real-time at Full quality.  That's = curious, because I can play 4 streams of 1080 ProRes 422 easily. =  CUDA seems to make a big difference in playback of the PR4444. =  WIth it off, my CPU meters max out; with it on, they go down = around 50%.  

Being able to play at least one stream scaled to = 1080 with some accelerated color effects at full res without dropping = frames would be nice.




On Aug 13, 2014, at = 1:50 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

my = 2008 mac tower, K5000, SSD system drive, 3X3TB raid eats thru 1080 = editing all day long with good responsiveness. I=92m talking 8-10 layers = in PP with 1-2 video layers where one is often some h.264 format, 1 = ProRes, maybe one ProRes 4444 + alpha, static graphics, lumetri from = speed grade. where this system probably suffers is decoding the h.264 = formats where 2-3 layers will get boggish a bit. 

OTH I am finishing a shot in 4K GH4 edited in 1080 on my = imac i7 and its gone well. since its a 2.93gh / much faster ram bus = machine it decodes h.264 a lot more smoothly than the 2008 = machine.

so a used 5.1 tower should be a consideration if you want the = PCIe slots, and a loaded 27=94 iMac with nV GPU could be a really nice = compact machine. I=92m somewhat waiting for an update iMac with 6core = i7.

S


On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Tony Romain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

This is exactly what I've been hearing as well.  Unless the = software is written from the ground up to take advantage of the updated = hardware specs/architecture on the new mac pros, the speed boost is = negligible.. Especially for the price.

Would def just spend your money upgrading video = cards, ram,  DEFINITELY replace your system drive with an SSD as = well as get an additional SSD for use as a AE disk cache=85  they = are super cheap these days

Can't stress enough how awesome the switch to an SSD = system drive = was=85


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