From: "Rendernyc" Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com ([209.85.192.46] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5562420 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 15:32:53 +0200 Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id q107so5106818qgd.33 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=73H9WsOfOxuyUW9ih/gvOoeEH/7VAC2Aysx9Km5YLm0=; b=PeHuwb8bviUA6UVmvoZWHNeaVTODkZoBXeyuIO0OoqCRpQu5JEulBbZxHW4pXMae2h o4qhUG1MrG+HmUI5eMPoPguVXzkZvHBXM0MxXuUL1JfSjcKVnrU4d+4PCrYM0gNJQMM3 k19oxxbYu3+ivOOPdVAG+kSo0+WG4LK0fYrlk7SLskDpGpKc7TJGQL6smixmD05y09n1 MciMfUXPEKPscu2t3GD4vXuQCOSCMMZ2RC+f72/rgydYAAmecF9o8E0EPX4J1YDh/AF2 JmQiVUsumZ3YAv5iRiDwMktADVOtAvUXM36gjcsVO6mgRYKS9cZ/ai6cVH9/JbOO6Ugw gW2g== X-Received: by 10.140.35.242 with SMTP id n105mr42079760qgn.11.1409578373122; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.22] (cpe-74-71-128-56.nyc.res.rr.com. [74.71.128.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r51sm948256qgr.31.2014.09.01.06.32.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Rendernyc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-843812B6-51A4-44BF-9781-C22BCCFA3CA6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [AE] H264 Encoding and grain issues and Basic Encoding Survey Message-Id: <28DBEFAC-0DF5-40E1-8715-CB91AEF4A760@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 09:32:51 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) --Apple-Mail-843812B6-51A4-44BF-9781-C22BCCFA3CA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trying switching to 1 pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" wrote:= >=20 > hey guys >=20 > I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy video from my AE com= position > it is a graphic pencil drawing come to life with a lot of sharp details a= nd grain too. >=20 > I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets, > or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12=20 > and I cant get the grain and the fine details > I see in the high quality large file version. >=20 > I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jpeg 100% from AE) an= d that I compressed > in sorenson squeeze with multipass and still the grain is not as sharp as i= t should be. >=20 > so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at - reinforce my render= decisions on Lossless video as well. >=20 > would like to have a survey among you guys. >=20 > my questions are: > 1. what is your export option for lossless high quality video for further e= diting purposes? > streaming quality is not important.=20 > my answer is: > Quicktime animation for 8bit > Png sequence for 16bit > Render through AE >=20 > 2. what is your export option for high quality viewing purposes HD video?=20= > say for showing in a presentation or exhibition.=20 > file size doesnt have to be small and streaming quality is important. > my answer is: > H264 with very high bitrate=20 > Render through AME >=20 > 3. what is your export option for sending for client video that maintains > high quality (grain especially) or for uploading for youtube/Vimeo > streaming quality and low file size are important > my answer is: > H264: Render through AME > HD720 2Pass VBR 6,8=20 > HD1080 2Pass VBR 10,12 > or Render through Sorenson squeeze multipass (which take forever) >=20 > Thanks >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-843812B6-51A4-44BF-9781-C22BCCFA3CA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Trying switching to 1 pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better

On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

hey guys

I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy video from my AE composition
it is a graphic pencil drawing come to life  with a lot of sharp details and grain too.

I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets,
or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12 
and I cant get the grain and the fine details
I see in the high quality large file version.

I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jpeg 100% from AE) and that I compressed
in sorenson squeeze with multipass and still the grain is not as sharp as it should be.

so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at -  reinforce my render decisions on Lossless video as well.

would like to have a survey among you guys.

my questions are:
1. what is your export option for lossless high quality video for further editing purposes?
streaming quality is not important. 
my answer is:
Quicktime animation for 8bit
Png sequence for 16bit
Render through AE

2. what is your export option for high quality viewing purposes HD video? 
say for showing in a presentation or exhibition. 
file size doesnt have to be small and streaming quality is important.
my answer is:
H264 with very high bitrate 
Render through AME

3. what is your export option for sending for client video that maintains
high quality (grain especially) or for uploading for youtube/Vimeo
streaming quality and low file size are important
my answer is:
H264: Render through AME
HD720 2Pass VBR 6,8 
HD1080 2Pass VBR 10,12
or Render through Sorenson squeeze multipass (which take forever)

Thanks



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