From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com ([209.85.220.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5562442 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 15:53:14 +0200 Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id kq14so12378987pab.37 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=H9ww12qdn1QKd+qR3umBfTxlg45HULbFfGRKBGwx40A=; b=McNhgzsZPfgBTFk8xJS4ecet+kjL1Fc0OojUb4YtbloQZ8wrdtLDB+gME1ThxxOVFp 4dlBCyx0h91kIzLYUXBxtfXuQqn7dCDUrAhRjcmollARn3Mi+UO+jKMcYpgD+n39sNZe cnIYR0rbro/PUJqgQpd/y2Gk0XhL8d3ChdkU598XdQIO/VoMilYVikNgufw407rqFKmr af7Mw0nONYFrtpn7MXDlrqKlP6yqZrmMng8FjSjMDp0qZMXQLyRXtxLq0LAh+blDsooI C2LVQxaJfGp0bXmT3yh3fm6Yf7h3NFrfKAgWZa9BsJ+MG8XSQdE+fAb7eN74CZpoSkS7 SAIw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQknce6XmptOMWHQi65Scx7QMioU57ACtqPwQuN43JVNyIS+VAFVUSbr4Xzc7tKzyV2iwnVQ X-Received: by 10.70.119.97 with SMTP id kt1mr40267747pdb.54.1409579590826; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.165.104 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:52:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] H264 Encoding and grain issues and Basic Encoding Survey To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133b6accb53af050201524b --001a1133b6accb53af050201524b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 or try sending the highquality QT (i mostly use DNxHD or ProRes) through the x264 encoder that has an Constant Quality mode that i find keeps the grain much better than any mode of the MainConcept h264 in AME. An easy to use GUI for x264 is the free Handbrake app, that is available for both Win and Mac. Robert 2014-09-01 15:32 GMT+02:00 Rendernyc : > Trying switching to 1 pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" wrote: > > hey guys > > I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy video from my AE > composition > it is a graphic pencil drawing come to life with a lot of sharp details > and grain too. > > I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets, > or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12 > and I cant get the grain and the fine details > I see in the high quality large file version. > > I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jpeg 100% from AE) > and that I compressed > in sorenson squeeze with multipass and still the grain is not as sharp as > it should be. > > so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at - reinforce my render > decisions on Lossless video as well. > > would like to have a survey among you guys. > > *my questions are:* > *1. what is your export option for lossless high quality video for further > editing purposes?* > *streaming quality is not important. * > my answer is: > Quicktime animation for 8bit > Png sequence for 16bit > Render through AE > > *2. **what is your export option** for high quality viewing purposes HD > video? * > *say for showing in a presentation or exhibition. * > *file size doesnt have to be small and **streaming quality is important.* > my answer is: > H264 with very high bitrate > Render through AME > > *3. **what is your export option** for sending for client video that > maintains* > *high quality (grain especially) or for uploading for youtube/Vimeo* > *streaming quality **and low file size are** important* > my answer is: > H264: Render through AME > HD720 2Pass VBR 6,8 > HD1080 2Pass VBR 10,12 > or Render through Sorenson squeeze multipass (which take forever) > > Thanks > > > > --001a1133b6accb53af050201524b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
or try sending the highquality QT (i mostly use DNxHD or P= roRes) through the x264 encoder that has an Constant Quality mode that i fi= nd keeps the grain much better than any mode of the MainConcept h264 in AME= .
An easy to use GUI for x264 is the free Handbrake app, that is available fo= r both Win and Mac.

Robert



20= 14-09-01 15:32 GMT+02:00 Rendernyc <AE-List@media-motion.tv><= /span>:
Trying switching to 1= pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better

On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:

hey guys=

I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy v= ideo from my AE composition
it is a graphic pencil drawing come t= o life =C2=A0with a lot of sharp details and grain too.

I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets= ,
or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12=C2=A0
and I cant get the grain and the fine details
I see in the high= quality large file version.

I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jp= eg 100% from AE) and that I compressed
in sorenson squeeze with m= ultipass and still the grain is not as sharp as it should be.

so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at - =C2=A0= reinforce my render decisions on Lossless video as well.

would like to have a survey among you guys.

my questions are:
1. what is your export option fo= r lossless high quality video for further editing purposes?
=
streaming quality is not important.=C2=A0
my answer is:
Quicktime animation for 8bit
= Png sequence for 16bit
Render through AE

2.=C2=A0<= /b>what is your export option=C2=A0for high quality viewing purpo= ses HD video?=C2=A0
say for showing in a presentation or exhibition.=C2=A0
file size doesnt have to be small and=C2=A0streaming quality is= important.
my answer is:=
H264 with very high bitrate=C2=A0
Render through AME

3.=C2=A0what is y= our export option=C2=A0for sending for client video that maintains
high quality (grain=C2=A0especially) or for uploading for youtube/V= imeo
streaming quality=C2=A0and low file size = are=C2=A0important
= my answer is:
H264:=C2=A0Render through AME
HD720 2P= ass VBR 6,8=C2=A0
HD1080 2Pass VBR= 10,12
or Render through Sorenson squeeze multi= pass (which take forever)

Thanks




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