From: "Roei Tzoref" Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com ([209.85.215.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5562495 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 17:32:10 +0200 Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id b17so6254699lan.22 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wfGp3CrmOLWx84iyEKxaj/2/nnokdqR1UPR6+V3G4rU=; b=pbqxRzKUbPX798bUYJa8PhDaSuxOBsdf612QxdymMEIbO/0FeSvd321K79Q4DMDvZh sGjtcFctRFAQhewU7uKSChutf9kDBRI2Ue1vkrQOm2+uklLInyvtCNXdyZ2Mvx4fGq9c R6egs/9Xys1l/fF6LukZlTSJx/hXERteydQTRy74/AK9gniVvlxsFNudJ+zIn38qX1Ue d3T7cS7OxVnrPQK0YTgdX36FwGHzm/5ODpbT1aI5sAIcgqUa7PzQASNDFNA3nahYL+o3 bydvno0KGl2xiY/M0Ctw/rbYWKVb3ZnNLmhzpTa0dxDrbGJn907mxOVEvVkAiCWOtMQx pvUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.28.8 with SMTP id x8mr3028677lbg.104.1409585531107; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.160.197 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 18:32:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] H264 Encoding and grain issues and Basic Encoding Survey To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11340428dcbeda050202b484 --001a11340428dcbeda050202b484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Rendernyc- tried and no dice. grain looks blocky Robert - about x264 encoder is there a recommended workflow on how to use it ? about the handbrake I just installed it today and experimented. had good results with RF=20 but the file size was very large. and with regular bitrate 10000 had the same blocky grain results. if you want to experiment here's a HD1080 5sec grain video (quicktime movie compressed photojpeg 100%) its a grain adjustment layer on 50% gray layer. cant seem to get it crispy or any where near it with AME encoding if you willing and able - see if you can get it crispy on mp4 container. On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > or try sending the highquality QT (i mostly use DNxHD or ProRes) through > the x264 encoder that has an Constant Quality mode that i find keeps the > grain much better than any mode of the MainConcept h264 in AME. > An easy to use GUI for x264 is the free Handbrake app, that is available > for both Win and Mac. > > Robert > > > > 2014-09-01 15:32 GMT+02:00 Rendernyc : > > Trying switching to 1 pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better >> >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" >> wrote: >> >> hey guys >> >> I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy video from my AE >> composition >> it is a graphic pencil drawing come to life with a lot of sharp details >> and grain too. >> >> I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets, >> or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12 >> and I cant get the grain and the fine details >> I see in the high quality large file version. >> >> I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jpeg 100% from AE) >> and that I compressed >> in sorenson squeeze with multipass and still the grain is not as sharp as >> it should be. >> >> so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at - reinforce my >> render decisions on Lossless video as well. >> >> would like to have a survey among you guys. >> >> *my questions are:* >> *1. what is your export option for lossless high quality video for >> further editing purposes?* >> *streaming quality is not important. * >> my answer is: >> Quicktime animation for 8bit >> Png sequence for 16bit >> Render through AE >> >> *2. **what is your export option** for high quality viewing purposes HD >> video? * >> *say for showing in a presentation or exhibition. * >> *file size doesnt have to be small and **streaming quality is important.* >> my answer is: >> H264 with very high bitrate >> Render through AME >> >> *3. **what is your export option** for sending for client video that >> maintains* >> *high quality (grain especially) or for uploading for youtube/Vimeo* >> *streaming quality **and low file size are** important* >> my answer is: >> H264: Render through AME >> HD720 2Pass VBR 6,8 >> HD1080 2Pass VBR 10,12 >> or Render through Sorenson squeeze multipass (which take forever) >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> > --001a11340428dcbeda050202b484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rendernyc- tried and no dice. grain looks blocky=

Robert - about x264 encoder is there a recommend= ed=C2=A0workflow on how to use it ?

about the handbrake I just= installed it today and experimented.
had good results with RF=3D20 but the file size was very large.
<= div>and with regular bitrate 10000 had the same blocky grain results.
=

if you want to experiment
here's a HD1080 5sec grain video (quicktime mo= vie compressed photojpeg 100%)

its a grain adjustment layer on 50% gray layer.
cant seem to get it crispy or any where near it with AME encoding
<= div>if you willing and able - see if you can get it crispy on mp4 container= .



On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Robert Kjettru= p <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
or try sending the highqual= ity QT (i mostly use DNxHD or ProRes) through the x264 encoder that has an = Constant Quality mode that i find keeps the grain much better than any mode= of the MainConcept h264 in AME.
An easy to use GUI for x264 is the free Handbrake app, that is available fo= r both Win and Mac.

Robert



20= 14-09-01 15:32 GMT+02:00 Rendernyc <AE-List@media-motion.tv><= /span>:

Trying switching to 1= pass VBR in AME and see if it looks better

On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:17 AM, "Roei Tzoref" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:

hey guys=

I have been having problems achieving a decent crispy v= ideo from my AE composition
it is a graphic pencil drawing come t= o life =C2=A0with a lot of sharp details and grain too.

I have tried rendering from AE via AME with the presets= ,
or even manually adjusting with VBR ,2PASS 10,12=C2=A0
and I cant get the grain and the fine details
I see in the high= quality large file version.

I have tried rendering a high quality version (photo jp= eg 100% from AE) and that I compressed
in sorenson squeeze with m= ultipass and still the grain is not as sharp as it should be.

so I would like to sort this mess and while I am at - =C2=A0= reinforce my render decisions on Lossless video as well.

would like to have a survey among you guys.

my questions are:
1. what is your export option fo= r lossless high quality video for further editing purposes?
=
streaming quality is not important.=C2=A0
my answer is:
Quicktime animation for 8bit
= Png sequence for 16bit
Render through AE

2.=C2=A0<= /b>what is your export option=C2=A0for high quality viewing purpo= ses HD video?=C2=A0
say for showing in a presentation or exhibition.=C2=A0
file size doesnt have to be small and=C2=A0streaming quality is= important.
my answer is:=
H264 with very high bitrate=C2=A0
Render through AME

3.=C2=A0what is y= our export option=C2=A0for sending for client video that maintains
high quality (grain=C2=A0especially) or for uploading for youtube/V= imeo
streaming quality=C2=A0and low file size = are=C2=A0important
= my answer is:
H264:=C2=A0Render through AME
HD720 2P= ass VBR 6,8=C2=A0
HD1080 2Pass VBR= 10,12
or Render through Sorenson squeeze multi= pass (which take forever)

Thanks





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