From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6319076 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:09:28 +0200 Received: from [10.1.1.60] ([71.87.57.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlFjM-1dJg9O3YwA-00b32R for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:10:41 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2B34246C-805B-4FDE-98E1-B2617FB31E37" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.0 \(3445.1.6\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Wacom vs Mouse Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 13:10:39 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.1.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:B0lpwLipMxLdt4w106Z0VPHSmUIhr3QoDLAu5P+KbiXVV5orWuc W68QYVfu+f+p7tIwxdm39V3XSVjaHubPQA5dj0ThKq/QKe3YwScPMtBOw0VMmVpfhkiGRpL b7g32mpQkLqWKpqqiguiJ8vF5A+rHGV/NXQNdTXlGKz/JauAAQb34UOA6uouwUIJEQj41jC 8cGbhcIYQE4RH2d/SyMaw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5s28umrk/Wk=:06tE8RXEISQ8CKme3iJLON mfoxR5ktNfps92qhetvptC5s/IdE8Bb2Tt4vOPSQRi2wowMN+dHRLigi2gMs+sx4siZbc8Fte wqsyUMgDzqYrBp9KXEeojy7ykEGMFYytk5ePpShBskws7+BFOT5Zc7P4R/MKSzapMuvqBDuub YDnDp2C0ikne5v7x75zpfub4vSS3DKRy/7HllyVlEbNf82giPXe+9PSpQZDOdyZFUVzpXMoRo gPUgSx7YQi950eAEoxjrS0mLQDZ3JRfEBKthtRg/agruaOzwJ3zImrIQUEyCQjUqNHH/T8u31 U3SVOHcJcEWi/U0HW3XofB2Acet5GoPrxRmpw7+7eXe9JJkdFo6WVNZK/6d1baOnjvitVj9nS koErybZaT2a4VWd76NGItIMdcIs0VR8O+PcGEpH0gaTsYYIyN4Z9PYsXTCgnNjnUr1c/nUhPu uOXecAu+pvWEoMT3MZE1A6i2tgMuAVLGGw2Yt+XiAVaXfi5m1oT/EIgVZDqp+TlYyuPfJxwO4 uHwTOduDI9kfsUiQoFM+ZiguN/uRAA1MeBl00AKxt/XTMjF24Pi98zhDdrQekVce3ARHK0I/E Pva96U8OKoA/yf9h4Nj95sDHFhPJnjego630bC3XmqaDwTDrizRZAqFmFIrMpb9Ph/2FYrNI0 TOZH1y2OLMu0B6JQNVIudNUqoG+sTBSAlyS9UYoVO8Ahp1YgNUqSCDbkwL3AvWHfhtzEED8sO ta0XR5r/v8mm6tp5YUIZ8YE8wOQ3zAhA+d+UPrFP+6gOh7SjCeoJbB4tQ/4= --Apple-Mail=_2B34246C-805B-4FDE-98E1-B2617FB31E37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 as a 20 year tablet user=E2=80=A6. use mouse mode, not tablet mode. tablet mode is just too jerky / twitchy = and imprecise, especially on 4K screens. I know there are some who howl = at this because they like to click on a spot on the tablet and the mouse = goes right there. works on small screens with big tablets, but doesn=E2=80= =99t work at all with big screens and any size tablet. you also wind up = wildly flinging your arm around which kind of defeats the purpose of a = tablet in some respects - saving your wrist. I currently own an intuos5 large. I had to after getting dual 4K = screens. as much as a loved my old 6X11 i2 the lack of driver support = and not having enough movement room was not working. Pen: I have lower button set to double click for all apps except resolve = and fusion - middle click. I have upper button set to right click. Wacom currently has a nasty ongoing bug where the mouse response on a = second monitor is messed up. it snaps, jerks or sometimes even moves the = opposite direction. fix is to open control panel, change something like = acceleration from current to another setting, then back. then problem = goes away for a while. they are aware of the bug, but need to hear more = complaints. its only been in the last few driver releases and they have = to fix it=E2=80=A6 and they did swap out my hardware with no change. dedicated control surfaces : love them. Had artist colo for resolver, = upgraded to mini panel and pretty thrilled with it. sure it costs as = much as a modest PC but its just so much faster and easier. Just started = messing around with a MIDI mixer controller and liking it. although it = generates a lot of points ( app should thin the points better ) its = faster and easier than clicking around. may well get a M touch control = surface. S > On Sep 16, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Roei Tzoref = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Jim. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I have not = switched to a tablet for health reasons, though I see many advocate = using a wacom for that reason alone.=20 > I just want to make sure I am as efficient as I can be, and as I said, = adjust myself to the customs of the places I work in. ("get a mouse for = that new guy!", "-a what?", "-he uses a mouse??!") > if everybody there is using a wacom, I might as well get up to speed. = that's what it comes down too I think - speed. and health some say...=20 >=20 > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: > A lot of people like tablets, but I can work faster with a mouse. = Most of what I would use with a tablet is cutting masks in Photoshop for = faking 3D moves on stills (The Kid Stays in the Picture effect). I lost = a lot of time going back and forth between mouse and tablet. I should = add that I=E2=80=99m left handed with the pen, and right handed with the = mouse. The times I=E2=80=99ve tried the tablet while my hand was still = on the mouse, the cursor jumps all around the screen. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing = board with multiple faders either. I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber band" = mixing of faders with a mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even though = it has real-time mixing capabilities using faders as well), because = visual editing of audio is so intuitive. >=20 > It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for = you and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse. >=20 > My .02 --Apple-Mail=_2B34246C-805B-4FDE-98E1-B2617FB31E37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 as = a 20 year tablet user=E2=80=A6.

use mouse mode, not tablet mode. tablet mode is just too = jerky / twitchy and imprecise, especially on 4K screens. I know there = are some who howl at this because they like to click on a spot on the = tablet and the mouse goes right there. works on small screens with big = tablets, but doesn=E2=80=99t work at all with big screens and any size = tablet. you also wind up wildly flinging your arm around which kind of = defeats the purpose of a tablet in some respects - saving your = wrist.

I = currently own an intuos5 large. I had to after getting dual 4K screens. = as much as a loved my old 6X11 i2 the lack of driver support and not = having enough movement room was not working.

Pen: I have lower button set to double = click for all apps except resolve and fusion - middle click. I have = upper button set to right click.

Wacom currently has a nasty ongoing bug = where the mouse response on a second monitor is messed up. it snaps, = jerks or sometimes even moves the opposite direction. fix is to open = control panel, change something like acceleration from current to = another setting, then back. then problem goes away for a while. they are = aware of the bug, but need to hear more complaints. its only been in the = last few driver releases and they have to fix it=E2=80=A6 and they did = swap out my hardware with no change.

dedicated control surfaces : love them. = Had artist colo for resolver, upgraded to mini panel and pretty thrilled = with it. sure it costs as much as a modest PC but its just so much = faster and easier. Just started messing around with a MIDI mixer = controller and liking it. although it generates a lot of points ( app = should thin the points better ) its faster and easier than clicking = around. may well get a M touch control surface.

S



On Sep = 16, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Jim. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I = have not switched to a tablet for health reasons, though I see many = advocate using a wacom for that reason alone. 
I = just want to make sure I am as efficient as I can be, and as I said, = adjust myself to the customs of the places I work in. ("get a mouse for = that new guy!", "-a what?", "-he uses a mouse??!")
if= everybody there is using a wacom, I might as well get up to speed. = that's what it comes down too I think - speed. and health some = say... 

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:
A lot of people = like tablets, but I can work faster with a mouse.  Most of what I = would use with a tablet is cutting masks in Photoshop for faking 3D = moves on stills (The Kid Stays in the Picture effect).  I lost a = lot of time going back and forth between mouse and tablet.  I = should add that I=E2=80=99m left handed with the pen, and right handed = with the mouse.  The times I=E2=80=99ve tried the tablet while my = hand was still on the mouse, the cursor jumps all around the screen.

I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing = board with multiple faders either.  I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber = band" mixing of faders with a mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even = though it has real-time mixing capabilities using faders as well), = because visual editing of audio is so intuitive.

It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for = you and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse.

My .02

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