From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-it0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6319079 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:27:13 +0200 Received: by mail-it0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w204so5137541itc.4 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8SFCUYU+2hbi/o5YG01zPrRtQzqso0C1oy6ImmA3qMU=; b=BU9mnDfVQuc/CMyZLWtD7dNR1yBaYUBHjiRCRWNMdQGLqHYX9OMQLADnqUAN7dosgA 89RlZl4O5mgUn34/EPfQ3oAyFvshtZ+eQQrBux8afFPld4cZ9Eok18pnqVj6QWv3WkLZ A1D1JjG/FeqkgJLp++QA3BFOcRZYWEyYGOVoYWQ6p2LmGfiUvgmaGpYbU/8FaLM4C3Wx cq5KnA9Lg3QBLI3FTyHgIwCkzO5SjDPIW6ttfcg2DwRDd1X2FycYQSdwoRLrGydpUnec E53zv8xr5zkJWulYfJ8s4svBWr31dLtlO9svIfmPdBL4vLQC3ag2Cspy1d0EQbZEiPqM ROjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8SFCUYU+2hbi/o5YG01zPrRtQzqso0C1oy6ImmA3qMU=; b=WBUt6vZw+Aqnv1crb1B3guBNV5AY8MO6b2KAUg2cr0DW0SZHzSv6uNZWxFPRTtaDWZ mg1L7P2KuKwawR3CXUt+k+yi5SrwZeIPNUesidxn4Qnz0jmvKUBHmovAO3XLr0f3H7zv HLYOip3QMsp/vIki6pQD4QLZ59Q5yhkGbNd1B8NVqxO/ToXjx0qMzywChqobnOKnfp7f ghqDP4RPlLy9ptLZgzCJLS5+9/+WACAo2AIV4gnbFk8125DFqqtE98DRM//bDLKDfv/a IILm0qRDYoAWQUgt+LgqsQL+QPGvmTgROWwLRf0pXlQ7e3GFP5IHEdNHP4iO0F5M+dX8 LJ2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhP5Fl8A5tvpNSHkshRxJ1BkYGYzyACe9AppxIxUYyZKcvi1RKT /oaP2PLIgyHzJJCb4vjGM6doBIu2zaoHwtb6qOPFAQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAyQPnTagstNnphZsZUmVe0YEoPqN6s69c6mxPTG9karkX8CSdTXvI+PLmwp/UgAxe0Tde9ZS7pvzGfUnuBPB4= X-Received: by 10.36.210.67 with SMTP id z64mr11096131itf.122.1505586505136; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:28:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.65.215 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:28:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Wacom vs Mouse To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05d378d13ea4055952ac51" --94eb2c05d378d13ea4055952ac51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have been an exclusive Wacom user for many many years now, i actually think using a mouse is kinda awkward now :-D my setup is doubleclick on the lower side button and right on upper, and for apps that require middle mousebutton i set it up as middle on the lower. That works very nicely for me. I have the wacom to the right of the keyboard, but know many wacom users prefer to have the wacom infront of the keyboard. I like to have it to the side so i can easily access the full keyboard for shortcuts that are very important to be efficient in AE. As you have found out there is some mousewheel behaviors that is not as easy to perform with a wacom. There is the scroll wheel on the Wacom tablet that you can use, but that require you move your keyboard hand quite a bit, so its not so fast and i tend not to use that very often, and just don't use some of the mousewheel features that are in some apps. Im looking for a new keyboard and are thinking og gettting the new Logitech Craft when/if it comes in a 105key nordic edition, that has a builtin multipurpose wheel at the topleft that could be helpful for at least us right-hand users. If you use Chrome as your browser of choice, i highly recommend to download the addon called "scollbar anywhere" that makes it easy to scroll most websites by flicking the pen anywhere with eg the right button held down. Then you will find out some applications are just not tested with wacom users before being released, where they require a very precise click where the pointer cant move any pixels before registering the click. Some Adobe apps have had this in the past, Premiere being bad at one point, AE for one version many years ago too, but they are mostly fine now. Any plugin that uses a custom UI can have problems, eg Video Copilot Element is a bit frustrating to get into numerical value input mode, and a particular bad example has been Colorista that has such bad precision controls of the color wheels when using a Wacom. Keep using the Wacom exclusively for a couple of weeks and you will soon surrender your mouse to the graveyard, overall its a much more natural and pleasant to work with a pen :-D Robert 2017-09-16 19:46 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref : > Thanks Jim. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I have not > switched to a tablet for health reasons, though I see many advocate using= a > wacom for that reason alone. > I just want to make sure I am as efficient as I can be, and as I said, > adjust myself to the customs of the places I work in. ("get a mouse for > that new guy!", "-a what?", "-he uses a mouse??!") > if everybody there is using a wacom, I might as well get up to speed. > that's what it comes down too I think - speed. and health some say... > > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: > >> A lot of people like tablets, but I can work faster with a mouse. Most >> of what I would use with a tablet is cutting masks in Photoshop for faki= ng >> 3D moves on stills (The Kid Stays in the Picture effect). I lost a lot = of >> time going back and forth between mouse and tablet. I should add that I= =E2=80=99m >> left handed with the pen, and right handed with the mouse. The times I= =E2=80=99ve >> tried the tablet while my hand was still on the mouse, the cursor jumps = all >> around the screen. >> >> I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing boar= d with >> multiple faders either. I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber band" mixing of fad= ers with a >> mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even though it has real-time mixing >> capabilities using faders as well), because visual editing of audio is s= o >> intuitive. >> >> It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for >> you and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse. >> >> My .02 >> >> >> > On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Roei Tzoref >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to get into the habit of >> working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, but I composite, anima= te, >> roto and track. Rarely used it before, but have been freelancing in a pl= ace >> that doesn't even have a mouse, so I want to make a smooth transition. >> > >> > I find it a struggle using the pen buttons. I set them to right click >> (the button near the tip) and scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me >> move my hand slightly (and the cursor as a result) when I want to use th= em. >> > >> > Scrolling with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. = I >> am missing finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do any o= f >> you have a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture that >> could help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare through for= a >> while? What do you use? What is your tablet position setup? >> > >> > >> >> >> . >> >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >> > > --94eb2c05d378d13ea4055952ac51 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i have been an exclusive Wacom user for many many years no= w, i actually think using a mouse is kinda awkward now :-D
my setup is = doubleclick on the lower side button and right on upper, and for apps that = require middle mousebutton i set it up as middle on the lower. That works v= ery nicely for me.

I have the wacom to the right o= f the keyboard, but know many wacom users prefer to have the wacom infront = of the keyboard. I like to have it to the side so i can easily access the f= ull keyboard for shortcuts that are very important to be efficient in AE.

As you have found out there is some mousewheel beha= viors that is not as easy to perform with a wacom. There is the scroll whee= l on the Wacom tablet that you can use, but that require you move your keyb= oard hand quite a bit, so its not so fast and i tend not to use that very o= ften, and just don't use some of the mousewheel features that are in so= me apps.

Im looking for a new keyboard and are thi= nking og gettting the new Logitech Craft when/if it comes in a 105key nordi= c edition, that has a builtin multipurpose wheel at the topleft that could = be helpful for at least us right-hand users.

I= f you use Chrome as your browser of choice, i highly recommend to download = the addon called "scollbar anywhere" that makes it easy to scroll= most websites by flicking the pen anywhere with eg the right button held d= own.

Then you will find out some applications are = just not tested with wacom users before being released, where they require = a very precise click where the pointer cant move any pixels before register= ing the click. Some Adobe apps have had this in the past, Premiere being ba= d at one point, AE for one version many years ago too, but they are mostly = fine now.
Any plugin that uses a custom UI can have problems, eg = Video Copilot Element is a bit frustrating to get into numerical value inpu= t mode, and a particular bad example has been Colorista that has such bad p= recision controls of the color wheels when using a Wacom.

Keep using the Wacom exclusively for a couple of weeks and you will= soon surrender your mouse to the graveyard, overall its a much more natura= l and pleasant to work with a pen :-D

Robert
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2017-09-16 19:46 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>>:
Thanks J= im. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I have not switched to a t= ablet for health reasons, though I see many advocate using a wacom for that= reason alone.=C2=A0
I just want to make sure I am as efficient as I ca= n be, and as I said, adjust myself to the customs of the places I work in. = ("get a mouse for that new guy!", "-a what?", "-he= uses a mouse??!")
if everybody there is using a wacom, I mi= ght as well get up to speed. that's what it comes down too I think - sp= eed. and health some say...=C2=A0

On Sat,= Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ; wrote:
A lot of people like tabl= ets, but I can work faster with a mouse.=C2=A0 Most of what I would use wit= h a tablet is cutting masks in Photoshop for faking 3D moves on stills (The= Kid Stays in the Picture effect).=C2=A0 I lost a lot of time going back an= d forth between mouse and tablet.=C2=A0 I should add that I=E2=80=99m left = handed with the pen, and right handed with the mouse.=C2=A0 The times I=E2= =80=99ve tried the tablet while my hand was still on the mouse, the cursor = jumps all around the screen.

I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing board w= ith multiple faders either.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber band&quo= t; mixing of faders with a mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even though= it has real-time mixing capabilities using faders as well), because visual= editing of audio is so intuitive.

It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for you = and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse.

My .02


> On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:<= br> >
> Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to get into the habit of= working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, but I composite, ani= mate, roto and track. Rarely used it before, but have been freelancing in a= place that doesn't even have a mouse, so I want to make a smooth trans= ition.
>
> I find it a struggle using the pen buttons. I set them to right click = (the button near the tip) and scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me= move my hand slightly (and the cursor as a result) when I want to use them= .
>
> Scrolling with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. = I am missing finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do any of= you have a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture that c= ould help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare through for a w= hile? What do you use? What is your tablet position setup?
>
>


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