From: "Roei Tzoref" Received: from mail-it0-f50.google.com ([209.85.214.50] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6319078 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:41:56 +0200 Received: by mail-it0-f50.google.com with SMTP id r131so3591814itc.1 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vAK1VKxHRsBYUyyT9SV+fcPcaVVFmXDeHo9pgbTOdqo=; b=STttdYXP3rTLm5DsiiJAMiKucCGQM5uHkiB+Klkt0SosX4oz7Emuvp7NdL8u8H1t24 nCBtdmDLJ0c8f2BrSF/pHsf1kPBabhVjhfgMbDIegEBZmDrNvtlwueFtiwjC8WlVmhH3 D9cccsdLs1YyfeK2a5CRqWA1gMRIpIcAR2wWUBSEL8ZCCHF53htQPwEPsfyXG1C48U2q rMTVJ/BTh/Oza6gtP3pal2oFCLRcXK6o10mijIpbCWDuTWh4XR01d9QJae79UFBgBdtx tN7O//aTK9w2Dnal9CtkkuvZZgPqDTmSI4ErFbNh2Eni1Y1J9pDTF77p5iABchZeRBMR A2Vw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vAK1VKxHRsBYUyyT9SV+fcPcaVVFmXDeHo9pgbTOdqo=; b=BlqhywlAvrP491ZqLBViavhGz0TrTsv2q9VIT6P0O6c7HLAQQDD2iLgJqEvLTG/XeC 4EGxs4IjTvxhd+STUBqtSwSaWIn9VpOILNMQyzSa2Bt2t9qAX9VX1AxdlI01TogOp1rV vZNHRz8Qp2VWUANrDNDlK0bDftuVkQbvesOGO7t0Q8t5zGfQMORnpfPzOASOGNwrO7Gy QGGm2AqOCYYULgCiUeu+BxwtovTqa1317d2DkdODvrgIeDlHKSRTLpDHf2WAs1aE8YF4 EmqlfJ9IC7mo1OcDLXgaEnFrQNPeFgFAFRWzgaWTD7BGXqBPN7LCQuYJc1BFI4BWhoz8 dtaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjUmj8I9sUDZVnhcOvoQlY9SO5qsF9TbnLGZagB9e7Tnot0nf8n rKkrlmsrHK5cpWx3aIhAwB4jOhRZl6a1Jqq1a+FFjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDW9EmQvvoFBse9dx+NySZIfR8XPhM12DUHLy5+yqD92BBCxJzDM7+bORlZf/qAixVintwW9q3fwVZqz9n89LE= X-Received: by 10.36.223.2 with SMTP id r2mr11481043itg.19.1505587388378; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:43:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.48.83 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2017 11:42:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 21:42:27 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Wacom vs Mouse To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0b0d28767235055952e1a9" --94eb2c0b0d28767235055952e1a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Both. *Steve*, never knew there was a mouse mode! though it does sound weird when the #1 popular reason for using a Wacom (as described in the media) is that you don't have to drag. will try that. BTW I got a 24" monitor, just the one. about the buttons, I think the most used functions for me (other than double click which I tap twice with my pen so far) are "scroll/pan" and "right click". so how do you scroll? and as for pressing the buttons, this may seem like a funny question, but can you describe/preferably show me how you hold your pen? I can't seem to click on the buttons without moving the pen. and the buttons keep turning away from me as I hold it, so when I need them, the movement is unnatural. *Robert*, I see you too use the double click and right click (the default). I just thought tapping twice seems pretty natural so I can save a button for pan/scroll but maybe I haven't been bitten in the A@@ yet by tapping accidentally? as for tablet setup, after experimenting, I too found that having the Wacom on the side is crucial since the keyboard is very needed for shortcuts. will look into that chrome extension. thinking a scroll wheel just at the tip of the pen would be nice. probably just need more pen time, I have only been using it for a couple of days. I think I just need to learn how to hold it in a way that pressing the buttons will be second nature. probably just need more pen time, I have only been using it for a couple of days. On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > i have been an exclusive Wacom user for many many years now, i actually > think using a mouse is kinda awkward now :-D > my setup is doubleclick on the lower side button and right on upper, and > for apps that require middle mousebutton i set it up as middle on the > lower. That works very nicely for me. > > I have the wacom to the right of the keyboard, but know many wacom users > prefer to have the wacom infront of the keyboard. I like to have it to th= e > side so i can easily access the full keyboard for shortcuts that are very > important to be efficient in AE. > > As you have found out there is some mousewheel behaviors that is not as > easy to perform with a wacom. There is the scroll wheel on the Wacom tabl= et > that you can use, but that require you move your keyboard hand quite a bi= t, > so its not so fast and i tend not to use that very often, and just don't > use some of the mousewheel features that are in some apps. > > Im looking for a new keyboard and are thinking og gettting the new > Logitech Craft when/if it comes in a 105key nordic edition, that has a > builtin multipurpose wheel at the topleft that could be helpful for at > least us right-hand users. > > If you use Chrome as your browser of choice, i highly recommend to > download the addon called "scollbar anywhere" that makes it easy to scrol= l > most websites by flicking the pen anywhere with eg the right button held > down. > > Then you will find out some applications are just not tested with wacom > users before being released, where they require a very precise click wher= e > the pointer cant move any pixels before registering the click. Some Adobe > apps have had this in the past, Premiere being bad at one point, AE for o= ne > version many years ago too, but they are mostly fine now. > Any plugin that uses a custom UI can have problems, eg Video Copilot > Element is a bit frustrating to get into numerical value input mode, and = a > particular bad example has been Colorista that has such bad precision > controls of the color wheels when using a Wacom. > > Keep using the Wacom exclusively for a couple of weeks and you will soon > surrender your mouse to the graveyard, overall its a much more natural an= d > pleasant to work with a pen :-D > > Robert > > > 2017-09-16 19:46 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref : > >> Thanks Jim. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I have not >> switched to a tablet for health reasons, though I see many advocate usin= g a >> wacom for that reason alone. >> I just want to make sure I am as efficient as I can be, and as I said, >> adjust myself to the customs of the places I work in. ("get a mouse for >> that new guy!", "-a what?", "-he uses a mouse??!") >> if everybody there is using a wacom, I might as well get up to speed. >> that's what it comes down too I think - speed. and health some say... >> >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis >> wrote: >> >>> A lot of people like tablets, but I can work faster with a mouse. Most >>> of what I would use with a tablet is cutting masks in Photoshop for fak= ing >>> 3D moves on stills (The Kid Stays in the Picture effect). I lost a lot= of >>> time going back and forth between mouse and tablet. I should add that = I=E2=80=99m >>> left handed with the pen, and right handed with the mouse. The times I= =E2=80=99ve >>> tried the tablet while my hand was still on the mouse, the cursor jumps= all >>> around the screen. >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing boa= rd with >>> multiple faders either. I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber band" mixing of fa= ders with a >>> mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even though it has real-time mixin= g >>> capabilities using faders as well), because visual editing of audio is = so >>> intuitive. >>> >>> It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for >>> you and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse. >>> >>> My .02 >>> >>> >>> > On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Roei Tzoref >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to get into the habit o= f >>> working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, but I composite, anim= ate, >>> roto and track. Rarely used it before, but have been freelancing in a p= lace >>> that doesn't even have a mouse, so I want to make a smooth transition. >>> > >>> > I find it a struggle using the pen buttons. I set them to right click >>> (the button near the tip) and scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me >>> move my hand slightly (and the cursor as a result) when I want to use t= hem. >>> > >>> > Scrolling with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. >>> I am missing finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do an= y of >>> you have a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture tha= t >>> could help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare through fo= r a >>> while? What do you use? What is your tablet position setup? >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> >> > --94eb2c0b0d28767235055952e1a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Both.

Steve,
never knew there was a mouse mode! though it does sound weird when the #1 = popular reason for using a Wacom (as described in the media) is that you do= n't have to drag. will try that.=C2=A0

BT= W I got a 24" monitor, just the one.=C2=A0

ab= out the buttons, I think the most used functions for me (other than double = click which I tap twice with my pen so far) are "scroll/pan" and = "right click".
so how do you scroll?=C2=A0

and as for pressing the buttons, this may seem like a fun= ny question, but can you describe/preferably show me how you hold your pen?= I can't seem to click on the buttons without moving the pen.=C2=A0
=
and the buttons keep turning away from me as I hold it, so when = I need them, the movement is unnatural.=C2=A0

R= obert,=C2=A0
I see you too use the double click and right cli= ck (the default). I just thought tapping twice seems pretty natural so I ca= n save a button for pan/scroll but maybe I haven't been bitten in the A= @@=C2=A0=C2=A0yet by tapping accidentally?

as for = tablet setup, after experimenting, I too found that having the Wacom on the= side is crucial since the keyboard is very needed for shortcuts.

will look into that chrome extension. =C2=A0thinking a scro= ll wheel just at the tip of the pen would be nice.=C2=A0

probably just need more pen time, I have only been using it for a co= uple of days. I think I just need to learn how to hold it in a way
that pressing the buttons will be second nature. probably= just need more pen time, I have only been using it for a couple of days.

On Sat,= Sep 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
i h= ave been an exclusive Wacom user for many many years now, i actually think = using a mouse is kinda awkward now :-D
my setup is doubleclick on the l= ower side button and right on upper, and for apps that require middle mouse= button i set it up as middle on the lower. That works very nicely for me.

I have the wacom to the right of the keyboard, but = know many wacom users prefer to have the wacom infront of the keyboard. I l= ike to have it to the side so i can easily access the full keyboard for sho= rtcuts that are very important to be efficient in AE.

<= div>As you have found out there is some mousewheel behaviors that is not as= easy to perform with a wacom. There is the scroll wheel on the Wacom table= t that you can use, but that require you move your keyboard hand quite a bi= t, so its not so fast and i tend not to use that very often, and just don&#= 39;t use some of the mousewheel features that are in some apps.
<= br>
Im looking for a new keyboard and are thinking og gettting th= e new Logitech Craft when/if it comes in a 105key nordic edition, that has = a builtin multipurpose wheel at the topleft that could be helpful for at le= ast us right-hand users.

If you use Chrome as = your browser of choice, i highly recommend to download the addon called &qu= ot;scollbar anywhere" that makes it easy to scroll most websites by fl= icking the pen anywhere with eg the right button held down.

<= /div>
Then you will find out some applications are just not tested with= wacom users before being released, where they require a very precise click= where the pointer cant move any pixels before registering the click. Some = Adobe apps have had this in the past, Premiere being bad at one point, AE f= or one version many years ago too, but they are mostly fine now.
= Any plugin that uses a custom UI can have problems, eg Video Copilot Elemen= t is a bit frustrating to get into numerical value input mode, and a partic= ular bad example has been Colorista that has such bad precision controls of= the color wheels when using a Wacom.

Keep using t= he Wacom exclusively for a couple of weeks and you will soon surrender your= mouse to the graveyard, overall its a much more natural and pleasant to wo= rk with a pen :-D

Robert


2017-09-16 19:46 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv= >:
Thanks Jim. I consider myself very fast with a mouse too.I hav= e not switched to a tablet for health reasons, though I see many advocate u= sing a wacom for that reason alone.=C2=A0
I just want to make sure I am= as efficient as I can be, and as I said, adjust myself to the customs of t= he places I work in. ("get a mouse for that new guy!", "-a w= hat?", "-he uses a mouse??!")
if everybody there i= s using a wacom, I might as well get up to speed. that's what it comes = down too I think - speed. and health some say...=C2=A0

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv> wrote:
A lot of people like tablets, but I can work faster with a mou= se.=C2=A0 Most of what I would use with a tablet is cutting masks in Photos= hop for faking 3D moves on stills (The Kid Stays in the Picture effect).=C2= =A0 I lost a lot of time going back and forth between mouse and tablet.=C2= =A0 I should add that I=E2=80=99m left handed with the pen, and right hande= d with the mouse.=C2=A0 The times I=E2=80=99ve tried the tablet while my ha= nd was still on the mouse, the cursor jumps all around the screen.

I=E2=80=99m not an advocate for control surfaces, like audio mixing board w= ith multiple faders either.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m used to "rubber band&quo= t; mixing of faders with a mouse (which is easily doable in Pr, even though= it has real-time mixing capabilities using faders as well), because visual= editing of audio is so intuitive.

It also may be worth considering whether carpal tunnel is an issue for you = and made better or worse by tablet vs. mouse.

My .02

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:<= br> >
> Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to get into the habit of= working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, but I composite, ani= mate, roto and track. Rarely used it before, but have been freelancing in a= place that doesn't even have a mouse, so I want to make a smooth trans= ition.
>
> I find it a struggle using the pen buttons. I set them to right click = (the button near the tip) and scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me= move my hand slightly (and the cursor as a result) when I want to use them= .
>
> Scrolling with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. = I am missing finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do any of= you have a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture that c= ould help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare through for a w= hile? What do you use? What is your tablet position setup?
>
>


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