From: "Rick Gerard" Received: from bosmailout10.eigbox.net ([66.96.189.10] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6319641 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:57:49 +0200 Received: from bosmailscan10.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.10]) by bosmailout10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1dthai-0006cV-83 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:59:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mstrg.com; s=dkim; h=Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject: Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Vpj+p9s5peNCOJrBHKInxrdKilJ5q8W5Xaj4ckA8ysE=; b=elyBULoq0QiQ7LAjBRHaHbKkLv ba4kHbsp6n3ofJh7t2Ssc+zwsLXab9Twb8Ku/GSzOwqzvkDBD0YrJEOEl9NJdRSWgHAEe2v2qbB6F WqGsoOYENfcawOQbxnuQ2SuBEviluzCsz0BcXE4M8m7/9HEubLb7247uQOCKBatmpW9oVon1t2s2M 3GE5NJwmaly/OWczKKjVt/TexG62y1lq8e2uv7TU4EGXkdp+MArBCOgSOOHMZnlhgJ2augsgF2q9R EFuCA+NtJUYMhHNXUhscRLg+opS/vOqbpayaoDP6I25RWxe/0kTzPz4m0JbPwf834w3kb0PdNyxwJ uS2MxfXw==; Received: from [10.115.3.31] (helo=bosimpout11) by bosmailscan10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1dthai-0001qL-24 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:59:04 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp04.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.4]) by bosimpout11 with id Alz01w00705GATN01lz30L; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:59:04 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=RdbgMxlv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jcMFiYeD4Gz02xRQ37rMPA==:117 a=HgOLPoJXiPfkJLRCmnDYtw==:17 a=2JCJgTwv5E4A:10 a=zi5x8akGzQMA:10 a=DuH1lNjNAAAA:8 a=uSf2kCokAOM07OeVxp0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OWeGW46kRC0A:10 a=19Tebu2N4w0bgVH8lr4A:9 a=zMR8A4vlZudEbq6m:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qpWOrE00Qo_G6jfy496R:22 Received: from 068.201-93-216-nokia-dsl.dynamic.surewest.net ([216.93.201.68]:54903 helo=[192.168.1.12]) by bosauthsmtp04.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1dthae-0001Vd-PI for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:59:00 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C6151A78-1483-460B-A71E-C531E0D14851" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Wacom vs Mouse Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:58:58 -0700 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-EN-UserInfo: c662172581359b31880c5d4c8e0aae06:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: rg@hottek.net Sender: Rick Gerard X-EN-OrigIP: 216.93.201.68 X-EN-OrigHost: 068.201-93-216-nokia-dsl.dynamic.surewest.net --Apple-Mail=_C6151A78-1483-460B-A71E-C531E0D14851 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I used a WACOM nearly full time for a couple of years but have gone away = from it for editing and AE because, for me, keyboard shortcuts and a = mouse are faster and less frustrating than the tablet. Even when I used = it every day I make far too many mis cues and had to use the undo a lot. = I=E2=80=99m sorry but I don=E2=80=99t have any suggestions for modifying = the shortcuts. I can only tell you that it took me months to figure out = what worked the best for me but it drove a couple of other folks that = used my setup absolutely crazy. For painting and drawing a WACOM is another story. The tablet, and now = my iPad Pro + Pencil + Astro Pad is much easier to use in Photoshop = and Illustrator. I hardly touch the WACOM any more but I have the iPad = Pro and Pencil open all the time. Astropad gives me a live view of my = computer screen and I am nearly if not exactly as productive as I ever = was with the WACOM and Photoshop. On a side note I=E2=80=99m making = sketches and taking notes all the time with my WACOM Bamboo. It=E2=80=99s = kind of a digital paper thingie that I bought just to play with but now = it=E2=80=99s in my camera bag wherever I go and shows up for all client = meetings.=20 If I had a Cintiq (does anyone really know how to pronounce a word with = a q ant the end?) I would probably use it but I am not sure it would be = as handy or as fast as a multi function mouse for an NLE or AE. One hand = on the keyboard and one on the mouse gives me access to the tools I need = as fast as I can think about it. Would I like AE and Premiere to work with touch screens and do I wish = they were better? You bet, but that is a different discussion. I don=E2=80=99t know if this helps you much. When I bought my WACOM it = was a serious investment at nearly 10 X the cost of a mouse and I was = determined to use it for everything. In the long run it ended up in the = pile of un-used accessories that clutter my technology locker int he = garage.=20 Rick Gerard VFX Supervisor/DP/Director Northern CA . > On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Walter Soyka = wrote: >=20 > I use a Wacom tablet all the time, on every system I use. I travel = with a Wacom when I'm working out of my office. >=20 > ... >=20 > Good luck, >=20 > walter soyka =E2=96=BC keen live=20 > walter@keenlive.com > On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:49 AM, Roei Tzoref > wrote: > Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to get into the habit of = working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, but I composite, = animate, roto and track. Rarely used it before, but have been = freelancing in a place that doesn't even have a mouse, so I want to make = a smooth transition. >=20 > I find it a struggle using the pen buttons. I set them to right click = (the button near the tip) and scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me = move my hand slightly (and the cursor as a result) when I want to use = them.=20 >=20 > Scrolling with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. = I am missing finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do any = of you have a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture = that could help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare = through for a while? What do you use? What is your tablet position = setup?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C6151A78-1483-460B-A71E-C531E0D14851 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I used a WACOM nearly full time for a couple of years but = have gone away from it for editing and AE because, for me, keyboard = shortcuts and a mouse are faster and less frustrating than the tablet. = Even when I used it every day I make far too many mis cues and had to = use the undo a lot. I=E2=80=99m sorry but I don=E2=80=99t have any = suggestions for modifying the shortcuts. I can only tell you that it = took me months to figure out what worked the best for me but it drove a = couple of other folks that used my setup absolutely crazy.

For painting and drawing = a WACOM is another story. The tablet, and now my iPad Pro  + =  Pencil + Astro Pad is much easier to use in Photoshop and = Illustrator. I hardly touch the WACOM any more but I have the iPad Pro = and Pencil open all the time. Astropad gives me a live view of my = computer screen and I am nearly if not exactly as productive as I ever = was with the WACOM and Photoshop. On a side note I=E2=80=99m making = sketches and taking notes all the time with my WACOM Bamboo. It=E2=80=99s = kind of a digital paper thingie that I bought just to play with but now = it=E2=80=99s in my camera bag wherever I go and shows up for all client = meetings. 

If I had a Cintiq (does anyone really know how to pronounce a = word with a q ant the end?) I would probably use it but I am not sure it = would be as handy or as fast as a multi function mouse for an NLE or AE. = One hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse gives me access to the = tools I need as fast as I can think about it.

Would I like AE and Premiere to work = with touch screens and do I wish they were better? You bet, but that is = a different discussion.

I don=E2=80=99t know if this helps you much. When I bought my = WACOM it was a serious investment at nearly 10 X the cost of a mouse and = I was determined to use it for everything. In the long run it ended up = in the pile of un-used accessories that clutter my technology locker int = he garage. 

Rick Gerard
VFX = Supervisor/DP/Director
Northern CA

.
On = Sep 17, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Walter Soyka <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I use a Wacom tablet all the = time, on every system I use. I travel with a Wacom when I'm working out = of my office.

...

Good luck,

walter soyka = =E2=96=BC keen = live 
walter@keenlive.com

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:49 = AM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi, just bought the intuos pro medium. Trying to = get into the habit of working soley with a Wacom Tablet. I don't paint, = but I composite, animate, roto and track. Rarely used it before, but = have been freelancing in a place that doesn't even have a mouse, so I = want to make a smooth transition.

I find it a struggle using = the pen buttons. I set them to right click (the button near the tip) and = scroll/pan (the other one). It's makes me move my hand slightly (and the = cursor as a result) when I want to use them. 

Scrolling = with the mouse wheel is a feature I use in Ae all the time. I am missing = finer control there. Right click is also used a lot. Do any of you have = a recommendation for a pen setup?maybe pen holding posture that could = help make this easier? Or is it just something to bare through for a = while? What do you use? What is your tablet position = setup? 




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