From: "J Bills" Received: from [40.92.4.32] (HELO NAM02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6333099 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 02:44:37 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=BcIOEbNiNb+pnkVH/jmGfTLacBS5zeLdvtEmHU6b9qg=; b=K3+UC4Fyvkk/XRX0I0hj7gKIVjWzdigtr59an6SitiTpcyqV0zbcy3OJVXmvpfiZVae5NBMtsOWatyQWeZ9wgjumg5Fn5nrofhRaFqQMtXVk0iUK/bUSYDKYZT4sUIHV0HIhJzr37pyzd7P8wk7ysW1mX2lE8H2Sz95H8b8VflRD5b0nZibs1rBolOzW1BZBTgd8K3AaGSR7DIqrBh3TNUvZCzU/SwtteupHHxS2vvFd9BL/0i5/nGNlmJwMPsuObZ8FlpI4GLt949EzdetatwS5PAZsLHtESnqRjDSAAkNh0cHSZus2mqmXt5w2Gwmur2oPW2Dpg46+cfEeSBqmMw== Received: from SN1NAM02FT048.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.56) by SN1NAM02HT018.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.73.139) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.77.10; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 00:46:34 +0000 Received: from MWHPR11MB1504.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.152.72.55) by SN1NAM02FT048.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.72.202) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.77.10 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 00:46:34 +0000 Received: from MWHPR11MB1504.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([10.172.54.8]) by MWHPR11MB1504.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([10.172.54.8]) with mapi id 15.20.0077.018; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 00:46:34 +0000 To: Stephen van Vuuren Subject: Re: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017 Thread-Topic: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017 Thread-Index: AQHTPKp2QmZS87WqNkCGDXczyKnQxKLatEAr Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 00:46:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: media-motion.tv; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;media-motion.tv; dmarc=none action=none header.from=hotmail.com; x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:A907D3EAD6C56E2DE3F8FB22DE7C0AE3F7ECF59BA58C04974E0EA720F4E741A5;UpperCasedChecksum:7A6BDEDAD461C29FCD3CCEBC89BE356AAA186529329726B3B975AC862E922F74;SizeAsReceived:6881;Count:45 x-tmn: [KgxPE7Pw91EwkC7+rvnFcirnmifwY8pW] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;SN1NAM02HT018;6:r7gI9utJw7FbndDrdChBvKz/xWKlpExDcz6Rg89yG8M1DDsqqw1ZQDTTZDeVhRzhKJp1+ArojXXebLFGikRzh5daKPqxZDpGZ9CaAGSuO6A0hH3zfAk+PdDPkZcZiHdQ1J/eGrY8CudtjGwZkJKRaluOaHbUOk9JSo5ITmyK+b6y5KZ3Av1RJaN7GTBS2KBTINAy/p7Rk+co4Din8oXVPkjNg59FT0vp9JDTs1EH9qHj3QGmxbU9EBEYlLAlKccmGMwPaD1ukzZMez7SHU6x7/h6raUN8M5pwa2pShng0EiT6rjDUr4jfEMDhlNqhCnRWIH76FJVrTxrlAgP+n8AuQ==;5:Q0WKf/7HsHkaD8yfPwUu17adzd2pmnvewEXwdxzkrkszS58vFgBFLVcMrf7pgrq0v7KB1A99VG0KQUvUO0bLcdhIDSA/HSyzNtLoVmFRYMr8msTxJTY1LRttWlKwfCD1aY8y2461ITeWj8HqKUs8kQ==;24:4Wd9lv/qlbUTW0n6ybBMXhHfU9g0IW+Rhz7PAUsFdtxn2mcPORpZi+z5yehmPOnRiM/BgZkdeJlbYlfFTbU/RnjQIPSe13FO8jhWnbR5R8g=;7:0bFUkJQF+tUhgNyrP6EEU6sUPagadNz+1DEnj2ajI2VnrlMyGF6CjQ5f6YbrjlqhnSpb1Uhq+kow1BllgkPgoxd1Klth3VWI1KyQVAZfWBae5wnPRl+ZcOTgag5nOXJfkvENgZc+F+sOGH02+qacRomuY00JkQAa2ZTLbex7DwBnxuCufit26EFX+E/fMECmbQo5UsaX5CCVNN4OwPPC8402kC7Fps9Exo9Yox4TsIo= x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: e78bb375-3827-408e-11bd-08d50eaf3103 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(22001)(201702061074)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322404)(1603101448)(1601125374)(1701031045);SRVR:SN1NAM02HT018; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM02HT018: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(271806183753584)(21748063052155); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(100000700101)(100105000095)(100000701101)(100105300095)(100000702101)(100105100095)(444000031);SRVR:SN1NAM02HT018;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095);SRVR:SN1NAM02HT018; x-forefront-prvs: 045584D28C x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(7070007)(98901004);DIR:OUT;SFP:1901;SCL:1;SRVR:SN1NAM02HT018;H:MWHPR11MB1504.namprd11.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MWHPR11MB1504CB480F197097C41D9A12B9740MWHPR11MB1504namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Oct 2017 00:46:34.6362 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1NAM02HT018 --_000_MWHPR11MB1504CB480F197097C41D9A12B9740MWHPR11MB1504namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember when Fusion supported the After Effects plugin architecture? This= was way back when. Was kind of nice for a while there to be able to run = AE plugins in another host app, especially one node based. Really nice to see it having a 2nd life, since I always felt like there wer= e many good things about it's core despite Shake/Nuke having a nicer UI and= being less clunky from a workflow standpoint. Linux - yay! They are fix= ing it and 9 is a great start to it being a compelling option again. I did not renew my Adobe subscription this year. Now, the challenge is how= long I can live without it before I have to open up a recent project or do= something that would save me some time in AE. Which is getting more rare = these days, for the above reasons... ________________________________ From: After Effects Mail List on behalf of Stephe= n van Vuuren Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 5:48 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017 Nope Teddy. I have 12+ years of film assets built in AE. AE 2014 is still w= orking though and offers timelines features for building a multiplane that = nothing else does. Despite its flaws and the terrible render downgrade of 2= 015/17, I could not have made a multiplane film at this resolution in this = method. A node based tool would be really hard to compose shots that sometimes run = 8 or 9 minutes long. And it would have been available in 64bit back in 2010= when I made the final call what app to use :) best, Stephen stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should= be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emo= tion, the meaning, all that comes later. =96Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:28 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017 Have you looked into BMD Fusion 9 Studio? Quite enjoying it. The 32 bit lin= ear performance is incredible. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: Okay, a music person of some note wants some HD ProRes 422 files of my Satu= rn footage for a music video shoot. Seems like a job for AfterCodecs as on = tight deadline and no time to copy terabytes to my Mac. Sources are 32-bit TIFFs, 5600 x 4200 down to center cut 1080p ProRes 422. = Same project file just downsaved. AE 2017, 3 Hours and 22 minutes AE 2014, 1 Hour 9 minutes. There is almost no AE work here except a downscale and working space color = transform. It's mostly disk bound. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, tell me this going to cha= nge. best, Stephen stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should= be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emo= tion, the meaning, all that comes later. =96Stanley Kubrick +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to > -- _____________________________ Teddy Gage President Shotgun Inc. 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX SHOTGUNPOST.COM BKLYN NY 11215 --_000_MWHPR11MB1504CB480F197097C41D9A12B9740MWHPR11MB1504namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Remember when Fusion supported the After Effects plugin architecture? = This was way back when.   Was kind of nice for a while there to = be able to run AE plugins in another host app, especially one node based.

Really nice to see it having a 2nd life, since I always felt like there wer= e many good things about it's core despite Shake/Nuke having a nicer UI and= being less clunky from a workflow standpoint.  Linux - yay! &nbs= p; They are fixing it and 9 is a great start to it being a compelling option again.

I did not renew my Adobe subscription this year.  Now, the challenge i= s how long I can live without it before I have to open up a recent project = or do something that would save me some time in AE.  Which is getting = more rare these days, for the above reasons...


From: After Effects Mail Li= st <AE-List@media-motion.tv> on behalf of Stephen van Vuuren <AE-L= ist@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 5:48 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017
 

Nope Teddy. I have 12+ years of film assets buil= t in AE. AE 2014 is still working though and offers timelines features for = building a multiplane that nothing else does. Despite its flaws and the ter= rible render downgrade of 2015/17, I could not have made a multiplane film at this resolution in this method.

 

A node based tool would be really hard to compose sh= ots that sometimes run 8 or 9 minutes long. And it would have been availabl= e in 64bit back in 2010 when I made the final call what app to use J

 = ;

best,

Stephen

 = ;

stephen va= n vuuren

336.202.47= 77

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

ht= tp://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film = is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should be a p= rogression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

=96Stanley= Kubrick

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List= @media-motion.tv]
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:28 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] More Render Depressingness for 2017

 

Have you looked into BMD Fusion 9 Studio? Quite enjo= ying it. The 32 bit linear performance is incredible. 

 

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Stephen van Vuuren &= lt;AE-List@med= ia-motion.tv> wrote:

Okay, a music person of some note wants some HD ProR= es 422 files of my Saturn footage for a music video shoot. Seems like a job= for AfterCodecs as on tight deadline and no time to copy terabytes to my M= ac.

Sources are 32-bit TIFFs, 5600 x 4200 down to center cut 1080p ProRes 422. = Same project file just downsaved.

AE 2017, 3 Hours and 22 minutes
AE 2014, 1 Hour 9 minutes.

There is almost no AE work here except a downscale and working space color = transform. It's mostly disk bound.

Please for the love of all that is good and holy, tell me this going to cha= nge.

best,
Stephen

stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777
 
http://www.ins= aturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/=
http://www.sv2stud= ios.com/
 
A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should= be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emo= tion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=96Stanley Kubrick


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