From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6338624 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:16:31 +0200 Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id i124so6654061wmf.3 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:18:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=auGLQKfOb2EIvUhSDEeZVtZ5qjHOX94unRnsHIEj6zM=; b=UmR/5mjOPxrkOiAjtZTjlWNq3TP5ZgnrGhEGQNbbQT8lLwo2p9C+HMcWtVDNtUrFDI Pc7F+Ds3zErITny17XuBB+x7SJCubazpHBmTmHXqwyH3snARCwo4bvIGMP4iwHISFQdO 3zTS0O9PENHc7+qc0kFdG91daAB/LL4j1Ll0829mOe3nmdtEOFYJKHaPz045RZ3DB9W7 a/EIDluKZzLisaAEw7/LgqR8IQPwe7H1/+FPJ697yoqoYnWPcnoFSqXYgS376rfEwdX6 iYHW/AiXlKVSOmW2TmpeM/ighwByduyd4j9qgURFe7VXIZXKD3R7hpDvxleuGZk8/JRk N2Hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=auGLQKfOb2EIvUhSDEeZVtZ5qjHOX94unRnsHIEj6zM=; b=DLLGelhwWL2Oc3cWSx9+FgcTWC1+JEbzejLPavd/XbOjFejQ4EbCoOda2itFhRO7q2 LMYt31Ggwt5blFi6+9/XMFZbs6Fb232lm0vA56DUUY/Cywbxc+Xatvm3GAB/uXizFf90 L69V/2LuTyIsSa1BErlRQ31STNLUA7BkeHOHgos85pIu4zKRWpAHrpmz/6PlIKt3zmhX ldm1hlcxEZMyFjqfaf/gtMe+6PSifOAsk+vI5916XACONkOq66QyTMgge5sn0RvgyxCR upb45RowOk4QJnN4dU18Vpye0Vq43tGW/6gaAn04PRUebWhHHPfUa7Az3pCFTpp1zoGi JrOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVQJCMQRlTPZGIUxM/TxobYCRx9pJ9rgdG0vvKL7iiiA0FlbKRU luifFqQxYT2gExViRxBdpnGmvxlQ2it8KEQKLXHulA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QP1EgvNRnP+uQRUCSbGJ0r9X4KJzY0go+sJL9p9xxT2WLtCtoCJ+4Zc/l1UM2bIL3VizkcTKURBYVZ5HefU18= X-Received: by 10.28.87.13 with SMTP id l13mr4759299wmb.45.1508282328696; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.178.215 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:18:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1143419a6c4b1d055bc658a3" --001a1143419a6c4b1d055bc658a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Roei Look at this zoomed in view of an AI vector file both as a continious rasterized footage layer and converted to a native AE Shape Layer, many times better antialiasing that is very obvious at shallow angles, but also in slow animation https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK 2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref : > Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the jittering with fonts but > not so much with vector illustrations... and especially with small > movements. Robert, do you have more information resources about the 4 > stages of antialiasing? > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup > wrote: > >> The continuous rasterize uses the old illustrator antialiasing that is >> quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing like 4 steps of graduations >> in antialiased values. >> You can see it by having some lines in an illustrator file that is near >> but not exactly horisontal or vertical. >> >> Converting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much >> smoother antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the >> illstrator file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the >> newer functions of illustrator. >> >> Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shimmering with >> small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you suggest, force >> it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continious rasterize >> on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the 3d comp, use >> the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter Angle so the >> shimmering will be smoothed out. >> >> Robert >> >> >> 2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro : >> >>> One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator artwork >>> and set it to continuously rasterise. if I do any movement on it I will >>> get a jitter on the edges. >>> >>> to solve this. I set it the layer to continuously raster. scale it up >>> way bigger than I'll ever need it. precomp it and scale down the precomped >>> layer to the size you want and do the move on that and you will end the >>> jitters. >>> >>> I know it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove >>> me nuts for years. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Roei Tzoref >>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM >>> *Subject:* [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE >>> >>> 1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is also >>> outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard that's a >>> little bigger? >>> >>> 2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV >>> preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that's >>> created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own second >>> artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV preset >>> is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid resampling >>> of layers and antialiasing... >>> >>> the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here >>> explain the issue: https://www.lynda.com/After- >>> Effects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, but they >>> also mention that the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is >>> essential. "The second artboard must be this size to trigger After Effects >>> into not cropping off layers." I have not found it to be the case in my Ae >>> versions since CS6. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --001a1143419a6c4b1d055bc658a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roei

Look at this zoomed in view of = an AI vector file both as a continious rasterized footage layer and convert= ed to a native AE Shape Layer, many times better antialiasing that is very = obvious at shallow angles, but also in slow animation

https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK



2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref &= lt;AE-List@med= ia-motion.tv>:
Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the jittering with fo= nts but not so much with vector illustrations... and especially with small = movements. Robert, do you have more information resources about the 4 stage= s of antialiasing?=C2=A0

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv= > wrote:
The=C2=A0continuous rasteriz= e uses the old illustrator antialiasing that is quite bad for animation, it= only has somehthing like 4 steps of graduations in antialiased values.=C2= =A0
You can see it by having some lines in an illustrator file that is nea= r but not exactly horisontal or vertical.

Converting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will = get much smoother antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if= the illstrator file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of th= e newer functions of illustrator.

Shape layers if set to a 3d also have som= e issues with shimmering with small slow movement, and here the solution is= either as you suggest, force it to be a raster layer by precomping it with= out using continious rasterize on that precomp, or if you need to keep the = shape layer in the 3d comp, use the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very= high Shutter Angle so the shimmering will be smoothed out.

Robe= rt


2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00= mike cardeiro <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator artwor= k and set it to continuously rasterise.=C2=A0 if I do any movement on it I = will get a jitter on the edges.

to solve this.=C2=A0 I set it the layer = to continuously raster.=C2=A0 scale it up way bigger than I'll ever nee= d it.=C2=A0 precomp it and scale down the precomped layer to the size you w= ant and do the move on that and you will end the jitters.

I know it wasn= 't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove me nuts fo= r years.

= From: Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motio= n.tv>
To: A= fter Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM
= Subject: [AE] a question to ill= ustrator users on AE

1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the laye= r is also outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard t= hat's a little bigger?=C2=A0

2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in = the HTDV preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact si= ze that's created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your = own second artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the H= DTV preset is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid r= esampling of layers and antialiasing...

the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in t= heir tutorial here explain the issue: https://www.lynda= .com/After-Effects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-= 4.html, but they also mention that the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is= a "magic size" is essential. "The second artboard must be t= his size to trigger After Effects into not cropping off layers." I hav= e not found it to be the case in my Ae versions since CS6.





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