From: "Roei Tzoref" Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6338627 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:30:18 +0200 Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id i38so4104918iod.2 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8L6+i34bknSCrsT07BzQI0foiKmIFPS4+epMYLlO61k=; b=UA3H2R06XeHIE4eml+pzyiLNzZyKPAPyKuUUs3i7ywURTAqB+GCRmMXRh0Kwm4Vv/P r88ponnfBfPs33JA9akE7yp81m2AzJSPmSHP8spuU4xM08jq6u/mRGXwnHbBDAJd1jW6 IgH5po80dB6Crq2uRAso4X8rORHWURbiVOGYtF/QI5wG5pw5G7A0ruSXeGSF5px9TPaW xata41ZpclJ284EHMOQxseuzPi3Hnao65iKjNw+aGhukO1PzJUttQilHwjBEIJiax4bU 5Uktu+DwbxPc+usw0gRwkXFkfGJGm4HxunL73yqQr4cvQo3vkIaGAmETp+PATJTF9mwm M7FQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8L6+i34bknSCrsT07BzQI0foiKmIFPS4+epMYLlO61k=; b=f8vGphq9MB/mXKX5zbAv47fTM70QNEz9yOE+lVj0AxGtYFPJn8KABUJOD+R4lgOlfN Hti9UROqeSV6qU4PC1onOWKxydFCECQkVeeQ7Wl01KAuEMHDSKkdSrFWNLHmeOTzjfmz xY3Y5jqC7TMUZZIoZNWzPdTzW3n8MQTC5QTR+uwwE4+IlN9e2+02IFR7uy0cf5D56Try HsW7bS0mqX3HXQ9RhlB1kM8SPjPdac9OdHKLwNk0HHNuEMyrZt3TwH6ZfnHqY3RkkGDW Qe3QDfozGZ8OdkDlpTLr9/NtcbbqN/LP2ETc8th0h5CyH30Rwksvx749HKwBpKWpJgs9 i3dw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUH73VmLWzzUspLXlSnOwvyMwg2Hxe2mBOd97avDQmopUl2g2f/ wMOOlsB5KAmhvm9w+FFrqJLHDKRWmb/UpefTdek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBFhh03jaZjRzzPf196Pd/tbeVXW+lAgZKN8TtTQFdC+Lg6gYNTfJAfa4jePmh0bIyEijC4J/25h2Ssgc8YarI= X-Received: by 10.107.59.211 with SMTP id i202mr17922130ioa.79.1508283154378; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.43.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 02:31:53 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114f7da6a33467055bc68918" --001a114f7da6a33467055bc68918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I see. and I guess rasterize looks best. I wonder if any of this is in the Ae help files. could this be considered a bug? certainly having a preset for video that will in most cases antialiasing options (because if half pixel placement of 14400x14400 artboard as described in my first email) should be considered a bug. if not for Illustrator, then surely for Ae. On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > Hi Roei > > Look at this zoomed in view of an AI vector file both as a continious > rasterized footage layer and converted to a native AE Shape Layer, many > times better antialiasing that is very obvious at shallow angles, but also > in slow animation > > https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK > > > > 2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref : > >> Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the jittering with fonts but >> not so much with vector illustrations... and especially with small >> movements. Robert, do you have more information resources about the 4 >> stages of antialiasing? >> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup >> wrote: >> >>> The continuous rasterize uses the old illustrator antialiasing that is >>> quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing like 4 steps of graduations >>> in antialiased values. >>> You can see it by having some lines in an illustrator file that is near >>> but not exactly horisontal or vertical. >>> >>> Converting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much >>> smoother antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the >>> illstrator file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the >>> newer functions of illustrator. >>> >>> Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shimmering with >>> small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you suggest, force >>> it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continious rasterize >>> on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the 3d comp, use >>> the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter Angle so the >>> shimmering will be smoothed out. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> 2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro : >>> >>>> One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator artwork >>>> and set it to continuously rasterise. if I do any movement on it I will >>>> get a jitter on the edges. >>>> >>>> to solve this. I set it the layer to continuously raster. scale it up >>>> way bigger than I'll ever need it. precomp it and scale down the precomped >>>> layer to the size you want and do the move on that and you will end the >>>> jitters. >>>> >>>> I know it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove >>>> me nuts for years. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Roei Tzoref >>>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM >>>> *Subject:* [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE >>>> >>>> 1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is also >>>> outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard that's a >>>> little bigger? >>>> >>>> 2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV >>>> preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that's >>>> created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own second >>>> artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV preset >>>> is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid resampling >>>> of layers and antialiasing... >>>> >>>> the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here >>>> explain the issue: https://www.lynda.com/After-Ef >>>> fects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, but they >>>> also mention that the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is >>>> essential. "The second artboard must be this size to trigger After Effects >>>> into not cropping off layers." I have not found it to be the case in my Ae >>>> versions since CS6. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > --001a114f7da6a33467055bc68918 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see. and I guess rasterize looks best. I wonder if any o= f this is in the Ae help files. could this be considered a bug? certainly h= aving a preset for video that will in most cases antialiasing options (beca= use if half pixel placement of 14400x14400=C2=A0 artboard as described in m= y first email) should be considered a bug. if not for Illustrator, then sur= ely for Ae.=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Robert Kjettrup &l= t;AE-List@medi= a-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Roei

Look at this zoomed in view of an AI v= ector file both as a continious rasterized footage layer and converted to a= native AE Shape Layer, many times better antialiasing that is very obvious= at shallow angles, but also in slow animation




2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+0= 2:00 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Thanks for the tips R.K and = all. I noticed the jittering with fonts but not so much with vector illustr= ations... and especially with small movements. Robert, do you have more inf= ormation resources about the 4 stages of antialiasing?=C2=A0

On = Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
The=C2=A0continuous rasterize uses the old il= lustrator antialiasing that is quite bad for animation, it only has somehth= ing like 4 steps of graduations in antialiased values.=C2=A0
You can see i= t by having some lines in an illustrator file that is near but not exactly = horisontal or vertical.

Conv= erting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much smoother = antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the illstrator fi= le is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the newer functions = of illustrator.

Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shim= mering with small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you sug= gest, force it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continio= us rasterize on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the= 3d comp, use the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter Angl= e so the shimmering will be smoothed out.

Robert

=
2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro <AE-List= @media-motion.tv>:
One thing I've noticed over the years is, if = I take illustrator artwork and set it to continuously rasterise.=C2=A0 if I= do any movement on it I will get a jitter on the edges.

to solve this.=C2=A0 I s= et it the layer to continuously raster.=C2=A0 scale it up way bigger than I= 'll ever need it.=C2=A0 precomp it and scale down the precomped layer t= o the size you want and do the move on that and you will end the jitters.

I know = it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove me = nuts for years.


From: Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=
To: After Effects Mail = List <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv>
= Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM
Subject: [AE] a question to illustrator users on = AE

1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is = also outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard that&#= 39;s a little bigger?=C2=A0

2. have you found that the size of the se= cond artboard in the HTDV preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it= 9;s that exact size that's created when you choose the preset? or do yo= u just make your own second artboard? considering the fact that the second = artboard in the HDTV preset is placed on half pixel and requires fixing eve= rytime to avoid resampling of layers and antialiasing...

the Meyers (= Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here explain the issue= : https://www.lynda.com/After-Ef<= wbr>fects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, bu= t they also mention that the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size= " is essential. "The second artboard must be this size to trigger= After Effects into not cropping off layers." I have not found it to b= e the case in my Ae versions since CS6.









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