From: "scott.aelist" Received: from mail-pf0-f178.google.com ([209.85.192.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6338629 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:30:54 +0200 Received: by mail-pf0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x7so2513992pfa.1 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:33:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=4fiF3vy8ClRyZ9cp5w1YJ2zPpuqQ7AqB6aZdR3qa3WQ=; b=WhOC4CZ5SJ7VmfdER4IgUuaasBPJ0p48I8s+MvW4uGiw9jOuMKI706ATIiDaYi7IwX 8mMR6NB20xjbfXMspmzX9tX6fXI/Q/J0LV+wKD3PG5hz0eGNC21Tv6SGiMderPbarA2c wubjaySjv/+3m1drInyyM9w+Fl/WWwFKRcsAHaKeXCuyH5kGpy81iEyJmpecvzqtVBwU kdDoK3SLavAhWa4Z7g7uDpd7HvqJ0VPBFNt0yh75Wb4+4GTdX+LAcyhJ/7s53jwu7o60 u6zREeVKo9sRPhq2haDlJ3Q7+XgjvnUGCGtfYkEZJxSWipe3p/3CHyjnlskUJDSOXv/Q 9Vxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4fiF3vy8ClRyZ9cp5w1YJ2zPpuqQ7AqB6aZdR3qa3WQ=; b=noiHD8oZHvlJQ8JT1t68bEdUZaQ2dYE9f/FaHqgt3nE8y1zPNh4/fHDrznYEuKr14/ az6ctkujXoquCeo1K1Wq/pxbXi19D6UgeIdKUPIsD7x9PLKTwXynMEk13+6/lL3IOYMN tQQB4Qq9WCG7XrtyFe5exq4t3DDk3zx5dIOGyT3Hc6ceyJ6jtiDL2YNalX/PBLPP1xzD wgR9TFmmd8SktMlizSakz89pxrzD/wEVMgpJIAVvEQz5fSOV7QOvX/KV1SB9sHz21Tnv 04Z83mA+INjZS7awk8bjheupU/76IxoD3bPTQJ+fOhp1epDpsr33uiV+r/QjyiSKCizH nCcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaV7K8rrXSWYCKAZTK0nuEZGuQ3xhnHNydnL7uaGWgPeHHcf6aep 8RIOUtoUUeXVsXIfMa+d87obPJBv/64/iiNZj4E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBuR7MnKc222NUHEvnrm+QMP7JfcHOXjiQla7xkSNUJSb7LXfBggW+rEbzORVgVPUcuOqJ75a0mHOcgRkDVNrw= X-Received: by 10.84.230.134 with SMTP id e6mr13457374plk.46.1508283162438; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: hedczech@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.247.196 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:01 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sXKvKgsZJmgWIigx5q0XZeSA_tE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c13e36e1e31f2055bc68aaa" --94eb2c13e36e1e31f2055bc68aaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The downside of shape layers (and type layers) is that sometimes you need to disable continually rasterize and there's no way to do so. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > Hi Roei > > Look at this zoomed in view of an AI vector file both as a continious > rasterized footage layer and converted to a native AE Shape Layer, many > times better antialiasing that is very obvious at shallow angles, but also > in slow animation > > https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK > > > > 2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref : > >> Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the jittering with fonts but >> not so much with vector illustrations... and especially with small >> movements. Robert, do you have more information resources about the 4 >> stages of antialiasing? >> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup >> wrote: >> >>> The continuous rasterize uses the old illustrator antialiasing that is >>> quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing like 4 steps of graduations >>> in antialiased values. >>> You can see it by having some lines in an illustrator file that is near >>> but not exactly horisontal or vertical. >>> >>> Converting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much >>> smoother antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the >>> illstrator file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the >>> newer functions of illustrator. >>> >>> Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shimmering with >>> small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you suggest, force >>> it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continious rasterize >>> on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the 3d comp, use >>> the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter Angle so the >>> shimmering will be smoothed out. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> 2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro : >>> >>>> One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator artwork >>>> and set it to continuously rasterise. if I do any movement on it I will >>>> get a jitter on the edges. >>>> >>>> to solve this. I set it the layer to continuously raster. scale it up >>>> way bigger than I'll ever need it. precomp it and scale down the precomped >>>> layer to the size you want and do the move on that and you will end the >>>> jitters. >>>> >>>> I know it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove >>>> me nuts for years. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Roei Tzoref >>>> *To:* After Effects Mail List >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM >>>> *Subject:* [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE >>>> >>>> 1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is also >>>> outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard that's a >>>> little bigger? >>>> >>>> 2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV >>>> preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that's >>>> created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own second >>>> artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV preset >>>> is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid resampling >>>> of layers and antialiasing... >>>> >>>> the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here >>>> explain the issue: https://www.lynda.com/After-Ef >>>> fects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, but they >>>> also mention that the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is >>>> essential. "The second artboard must be this size to trigger After Effects >>>> into not cropping off layers." I have not found it to be the case in my Ae >>>> versions since CS6. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > --94eb2c13e36e1e31f2055bc68aaa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The downside of shape layers (and type layers) is that som= etimes you need to disable continually rasterize and there's no way to = do so.=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup <= ;AE-List@media= -motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Roei

Look at this zoomed in view of an AI ve= ctor file both as a continious rasterized footage layer and converted to a = native AE Shape Layer, many times better antialiasing that is very obvious = at shallow angles, but also in slow animation




2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:0= 0 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Thanks for the tips R.K and all= . I noticed the jittering with fonts but not so much with vector illustrati= ons... and especially with small movements. Robert, do you have more inform= ation resources about the 4 stages of antialiasing?=C2=A0

On Tue,= 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
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The=C2=A0continuous rasterize uses the old illust= rator antialiasing that is quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing = like 4 steps of graduations in antialiased values.=C2=A0
You can see it by= having some lines in an illustrator file that is near but not exactly hori= sontal or vertical.

Converti= ng the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much smoother anti= aliasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the illstrator file i= s a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the newer functions of i= llustrator.

Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shimmeri= ng with small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you suggest= , force it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continious r= asterize on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the 3d = comp, use the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter Angle so= the shimmering will be smoothed out.

Robert
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2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro &= lt;AE-List@med= ia-motion.tv>:
One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take= illustrator artwork and set it to continuously rasterise.=C2=A0 if I do an= y movement on it I will get a jitter on the edges.

to solve this.=C2=A0 I set it the= layer to continuously raster.=C2=A0 scale it up way bigger than I'll e= ver need it.=C2=A0 precomp it and scale down the precomped layer to the siz= e you want and do the move on that and you will end the jitters.

I know it wasn'= t exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove me nuts for yea= rs.


From= : Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv&= gt;
Sent: Friday= , October 13, 2017 1:14 AM
Subject:= [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE

1. do you use the= HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is also outside of the canva= s size) or do you just add another artboard that's a little bigger?=C2= =A0

2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV= preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that&= #39;s created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own seco= nd artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV pres= et is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid resamplin= g of layers and antialiasing...

the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning= in... ) in their tutorial here explain the issue: https://www.lynda.com/After-Effects-tutorials/Illustr= ator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, but they also mention that th= e 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is essential. "= The second artboard must be this size to trigger After Effects into not cro= pping off layers." I have not found it to be the case in my Ae version= s since CS6.





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