From: "dennis-reelsolutions" Received: from biz127.inmotionhosting.com ([74.124.204.148] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6338646 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 01:50:35 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=reelsolutions.com; s=default; h=Message-Id:In-Reply-To:To:References:Date: Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=x3DzILBox67dTviTbXlOeykox5gQJZv21tQa8WknjOs=; b=nFJGxyUZmuuRMjTBAokOKlk0W /eoI3TgMoUIgUSGzhOIaP4WVh46/SSrAxDUIOXYgdNxQS8+b0tL8XXZNsCajhM6BiU5N4oVrDmAUt qubGI1RbtJUNpEcuv7FIy3rankFjFQj5pg54JC5YGgzGEkuBhLoXZv3Vb6JOf/u+HTd+Y=; Received: from [73.222.249.170] (port=35617 helo=[192.168.1.91]) by biz127.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e4bf5-0002kQ-ME for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:52:50 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6FA301EA-FCAF-4142-A913-611B56BBE4C3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:52:38 -0700 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <129ED119-4496-4AD0-AFFC-68A2FC1590C3@reelsolutions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz127.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reelsolutions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: info@reelsolutions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: info@reelsolutions.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_6FA301EA-FCAF-4142-A913-611B56BBE4C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One work around is to add a fast box blur or box blur to the layer or = comp with a blur radius of somewhere between .05 - .1, and iterations of = between 3-6. Depending on the combination, you can get the effect of = better anti-aliasing, without noticeably blurring the image. I do this to a lot of graphics just to have everything look a little = smoother than it does without it. Dennis Wilkins > On Oct 17, 2017, at 4:32 PM, scott.aelist = wrote: >=20 > The downside of shape layers (and type layers) is that sometimes you = need to disable continually rasterize and there's no way to do so.=20 >=20 > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup = > wrote: > Hi Roei >=20 > Look at this zoomed in view of an AI vector file both as a continious = rasterized footage layer and converted to a native AE Shape Layer, many = times better antialiasing that is very obvious at shallow angles, but = also in slow animation >=20 > https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2017-10-17 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref >: > Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the jittering with fonts = but not so much with vector illustrations... and especially with small = movements. Robert, do you have more information resources about the 4 = stages of antialiasing?=20 >=20 > On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert Kjettrup > wrote: > The continuous rasterize uses the old illustrator antialiasing that is = quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing like 4 steps of = graduations in antialiased values.=20 > You can see it by having some lines in an illustrator file that is = near but not exactly horisontal or vertical. >=20 > Converting the illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much = smoother antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the = illstrator file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the = newer functions of illustrator. >=20 > Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with shimmering with = small slow movement, and here the solution is either as you suggest, = force it to be a raster layer by precomping it without using continious = rasterize on that precomp, or if you need to keep the shape layer in the = 3d comp, use the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a very high Shutter = Angle so the shimmering will be smoothed out. >=20 > Robert >=20 >=20 > 2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike cardeiro >: > One thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator = artwork and set it to continuously rasterise. if I do any movement on = it I will get a jitter on the edges. >=20 > to solve this. I set it the layer to continuously raster. scale it = up way bigger than I'll ever need it. precomp it and scale down the = precomped layer to the size you want and do the move on that and you = will end the jitters. >=20 > I know it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove = me nuts for years. >=20 >=20 > From: Roei Tzoref > > To: After Effects Mail List >=20 > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM > Subject: [AE] a question to illustrator users on AE >=20 > 1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the layer is = also outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another artboard = that's a little bigger?=20 >=20 > 2. have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV = preset of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that's = created when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own second = artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV = preset is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid = resampling of layers and antialiasing... >=20 > the Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here = explain the issue: = https://www.lynda.com/After-Effects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438= /497652-4.html = , but they also mention that the 2nd artboard = 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is essential. "The second artboard must be = this size to trigger After Effects into not cropping off layers." I have = not found it to be the case in my Ae versions since CS6. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6FA301EA-FCAF-4142-A913-611B56BBE4C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii One work around is to add a fast box blur or box blur to the = layer or comp with a blur radius of somewhere between .05 - .1, and = iterations of between 3-6. Depending on the combination, you can get the = effect of better anti-aliasing, without noticeably blurring the = image.

I do this to = a lot of graphics just to have everything look a little smoother than it = does without it.

Dennis Wilkins



On = Oct 17, 2017, at 4:32 PM, scott.aelist <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The downside of shape layers (and type layers) is that = sometimes you need to disable continually rasterize and there's no way = to do so. 

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:18 PM, = Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hi Roei

Look at this zoomed in view of an AI vector file both as a = continious rasterized footage layer and converted to a native AE Shape = Layer, many times better antialiasing that is very obvious at shallow = angles, but also in slow animation

https://adobe.ly/2yqq1BK



2017-10-17= 19:53 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Thanks for the tips R.K and all. I noticed the = jittering with fonts but not so much with vector illustrations... and = especially with small movements. Robert, do you have more information = resources about the 4 stages of antialiasing? 

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 0:26 Robert = Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
The continuous rasterize uses the old illustrator antialiasing = that is quite bad for animation, it only has somehthing like 4 steps of = graduations in antialiased values. 
You can see it by = having some lines in an illustrator file that is near but not exactly = horisontal or vertical.

Converting the = illustrator to an AE shape layer and you will get much smoother = antialiasing, but ofcourse that is not always possible if the illstrator = file is a bit more complex and uses gradients or some of the newer = functions of illustrator.

Shape layers if set to a 3d also have some issues with = shimmering with small slow movement, and here the solution is either as = you suggest, force it to be a raster layer by precomping it without = using continious rasterize on that precomp, or if you need to keep the = shape layer in the 3d comp, use the CC Force Motion Blur effect with a = very high Shutter Angle so the shimmering will be smoothed = out.

Robert


2017-10-16 17:13 GMT+02:00 mike = cardeiro <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
One = thing I've noticed over the years is, if I take illustrator artwork and = set it to continuously rasterise.  if I do any movement on it I = will get a jitter on the edges.

to = solve this.  I set it the layer to continuously raster.  scale = it up way bigger than I'll ever need it.  precomp it and scale down = the precomped layer to the size you want and do the move on that and you = will end the jitters.

I = know it wasn't exactly what you asked, but it's something that drove me = nuts for years.

=
From: = Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: = Friday, October 13, 2017 1:14 AM
Subject: [AE] a = question to illustrator users on AE

1. do you use the HDTV presets to avoid cropping? (if the = layer is also outside of the canvas size) or do you just add another = artboard that's a little bigger? 

2. = have you found that the size of the second artboard in the HTDV preset = of 14400x14400 makes a difference if it's that exact size that's created = when you choose the preset? or do you just make your own second = artboard? considering the fact that the second artboard in the HDTV = preset is placed on half pixel and requires fixing everytime to avoid = resampling of layers and antialiasing...

the = Meyers (Hi there if you are tuning in... ) in their tutorial here = explain the issue: https://www.lynda.com/After-Effects-tutorials/Illustrator-artboards/372438/497652-4.html, but they also mention that = the 2nd artboard 14400x14400 is a "magic size" is essential. "The second = artboard must be this size to trigger After Effects into not cropping = off layers." I have not found it to be the case in my Ae versions since = CS6.






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