From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6347251 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:28:27 +0100 Received: from [10.1.1.106] ([71.87.57.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus001 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4Yxu-1dFDzl19mW-00ydEq for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:31:09 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B67BF105-F0AE-4967-B07D-32DBE3B7306C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.1 \(3445.4.7\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Monitor Recommendations Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:31:07 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <94B08979-B0EC-4489-A963-B017D8FF33AC@practicalillusions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.4.7) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PXQXHA/8OSB57S3FZA7I9ASCC8iYP09bOlR0Q9m0BlDPx53mU1J 9pn2+2i/u473fjTnhTuFJ1IRUu2xrEa8W4obmgl5ZzVdY7hTvFclTEDp/tBJY/eFyrsLPpP CN7X/gpT4K8AKDWBhMu8Dx1tjW+2J+SLxdk3TE9dBKVMGfeDwe8/Rgq6uYwlPdamDbvHGuJ 5BJ8teFxzxHArrUEX1vfw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:82M/Akil4uc=:m5pk/NCKrmT1w5xaGn1fUx QNXnrDkR284NkArM5wpkQg9drcL9yaje3+NnLPjoYYt/dVVMAewX99OtIvG9enyBVGmeDFBK0 he059KvH0sncvL/3lOsedZlGK4ZlycYvg2IUxLs5KilD+Zqn3cK9grRnBtrifV19kAmF9wXZa qhhXV6UqKDwpOydrWCDLrmOm/jWi5xKI4GDasUg+4eG/p1PbWbI4S6goQbigjtkRB3vRbpu1I 03uOkwkK962XqwYVeHrAxQ4387Px7dzDGDupdXeXws7xOfYHs+EgnlT7LrCGdEajXx5yW5cd3 AMcusYjWQBoOVE/3e61ZaQlT+Qj7Ha/LS+LsDpujxVQFcyv3kAYwDgXe1gjD+tsbCti62g9UK K26/4H2hD+jAAnNeiyEfpTH2ODARWS/3EF5B2jzb8OqjJig8ZT8duJnaGq2BxhffzSn0x1JiU Niqnp3K9nNJPI+sDxXmbEh+DA5QaEzE3cvAWPcSPLXqh7x2l2CRzjryKF/RFOot4W/qSVVuty acGkP5ew3ne5hFNwgmwJqeoSyPEqj5ucmmxKGXM2TULWQkskLWmYkS95ROYWI57BrvaRi9FDo JmFVf1zxS9sfqPKjB5keX3jaW9rozNqR+R55nzM+NGWV4DH4V8xLJ7qQv524XNecCGE1rQqf3 2n4uZU10OFQuyywoTcaBT4gXp/j7RA405A7yYC/Ov4OohXYP8yk29i5o+DOLRTcONDJPZRhpx pCQsOXGFSFGcuhsexG90PHZlme1XQtC0XBJrxFw37Hk3dVlk8npev+vL37E= --Apple-Mail=_B67BF105-F0AE-4967-B07D-32DBE3B7306C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ya but sometimes you need to see all the pixels. if you don=E2=80=99t = operate in a money is no worry environment, a good consumer 4K set + = calibration and maybe a LUT box in the middle is probably the way most = people will go. $2-$3K for a setup like this is doable for many folks.=20= meanwhile pretty happy with the dell 27=E2=80=9D 4Ks are being accurate = enough for most things. S > On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: >=20 > If you want to get a 4K reference monitor, then be prepared to pay big = money. FSI is finallt about to release their first 4K reference monitor, = and that goes for us$45.000=20 > http://flandersscientific.com/XM310K/ = > And if you look at the other brands, like Sony or TVlogic then its not = anything less. >=20 > FSI best current monitors the DM240 (LCD) and DM250 (OLED) then they = are both 1080 monitors, and i would argue that color accuracy and = consistency is more important than resolution... or at least at the = current prices it is :-D > They take an 2K input, and there is a firmware in beta that will make = them take an 4K input, not that i would suggest you use that unless you = have a backup reference monitor ;-) >=20 >=20 > 2017-10-30 2:43 GMT+01:00 Teddy Gage >: > Let me know what you think. Also in the market. May actually grab an = FSI reference monitor too, since I've been doing more color and online = finishing. Really hurt on my last project not having something with = broadcast specs. >=20 > What's the opinion on getting a 1080p vs 4K? Since I'm using it for = color but can do QA on a 4K LCD, is there any reason to get a 4K = reference monitor? Prices jump a fair amount >=20 > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: > So is mine, but my 30=E2=80=9D Apple Cinema Display finally crapped = out yesterday, so I weighed the value of the 27=E2=80=9D BenQ PV270 = against the slightly more future-open HP 31=E2=80=9D Dreamcolor zx - = $900 vs. $1330, and fewer pixels than the ACD vs. more, respectively. I = ordered the HP. I should be getting it Thursday. Wish me luck. >=20 > I have a 24=E2=80=9D DreamColor already, and it=E2=80=99s been pretty = solid. >=20 > I read some reviews on the PV270, and that looks mighty impressive for = the price. The same size DreamColor is ~$300 more. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Brian Maffitt > wrote: >>=20 >> 4K support is an excellent point. Fortunately my current gig is still = a 1080p workflow. >>=20 >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Carey Dissmore = > wrote: >> Solid advice from Steve. I=E2=80=99m actually looking to upgrade my = 2012-vintage HD Extreme 3D card for something 4k capable. It will be a = BMD product.=20 >>=20 >> The trend to 4k has definitely reached my mid-level marketing = video-driven post business. >> Current project load is something like this: >>=20 >> Source footage: 50% 1080p, 50% 3.2k or 4k (or higher) >>=20 >> Finished deliverables: 80% 1080p, 20% 4k >>=20 >> Carey >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Oakley > wrote: >>>=20 >>> pretty much BMD is the main survivor of video I/O cards or = interfaces. I have one of their HD ultra studios with TB and it works = great=E2=80=A6 but its also a discontinued product. BMD thinned out = their hardware line considerably at or around NAB 2017. used options are = of course out there, but I=E2=80=99d probably go with something that = does 4K at this point. >>>=20 >>> S >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 --Apple-Mail=_B67BF105-F0AE-4967-B07D-32DBE3B7306C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 ya = but sometimes you need to see all the pixels. if you don=E2=80=99t = operate in a money is no worry environment, a good consumer 4K set + = calibration and maybe a LUT box in the middle is probably the way most = people will go. $2-$3K for a setup like this is doable for many = folks. 

meanwhile= pretty happy with the dell 27=E2=80=9D 4Ks are being accurate enough = for most things.

S


On Oct = 30, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

If = you want to get a 4K reference monitor, then be prepared to pay big = money. FSI is finallt about to release their first 4K reference monitor, = and that goes for us$45.000 
http://flandersscientific.com/XM310K/
And if you look at the other brands, = like Sony or TVlogic then its not anything less.

FSI best current = monitors the DM240 (LCD) and DM250 (OLED) then they are both 1080 = monitors, and i would argue that color accuracy and consistency is more = important than resolution... or at least at the current prices it is = :-D
They take an 2K input, and there is a firmware = in beta that will make them take an 4K input, not that i would suggest = you use that unless you have a backup reference monitor ;-)


2017-10-30 2:43 GMT+01:00 Teddy = Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Let me know what you think. Also in the market. = May actually grab an FSI reference monitor too, since I've been doing = more color and online finishing. Really hurt on my last project not = having something with broadcast specs.

What's the opinion on getting a 1080p = vs 4K? Since I'm using it for color but can do QA on a 4K LCD, is there = any reason to get a 4K reference monitor? Prices jump a fair = amount

On Sun, Oct 29, = 2017 at 3:29 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
So is mine, but my 30=E2=80=9D= Apple Cinema Display finally crapped out yesterday, so I weighed the = value of the 27=E2=80=9D BenQ PV270 against the slightly more = future-open HP 31=E2=80=9D Dreamcolor zx - $900 vs. $1330, and fewer = pixels than the ACD vs. more, respectively.  I ordered the = HP.  I should be getting it Thursday.  Wish me luck.

I have a = 24=E2=80=9D DreamColor already, and it=E2=80=99s been pretty = solid.

I read = some reviews on the PV270, and that looks mighty impressive for the = price.  The same size DreamColor is ~$300 more.



On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Brian Maffitt <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

4K support is an = excellent point. Fortunately my current gig is still a 1080p = workflow.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Carey = Dissmore <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Solid advice from Steve. I=E2=80=99m actually = looking to upgrade my 2012-vintage HD Extreme 3D card for something 4k = capable. It will be a BMD product. 

The trend to 4k has definitely reached = my mid-level marketing video-driven post business.
Current = project load is something like this:

Source footage: 50% 1080p, 50% 3.2k or = 4k (or higher)

Finished deliverables: 80% 1080p, 20% 4k

Carey


On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

pretty much BMD is the main = survivor of video I/O cards or interfaces. I have one of their HD ultra = studios with TB and it works great=E2=80=A6 but its also a discontinued = product. BMD thinned out their hardware line considerably at or around = NAB 2017. used options are of course out there, but I=E2=80=99d probably = go with  something that does 4K at this point.

S







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