From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6349301 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:37:02 +0100 Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id h70so14481001ioi.4 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:39:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3whJw79dPsgFA2V/HFOy518kXOLNA2N6hUAIxiFaOls=; b=c3ArQ2qo0Si9gD7stwly7xb2JjXq6Rpr7AKDVqEGhvuqWNaA3Ebz1UmA5FyDPw5J4k i4X2Tmo2tZs8dXey0pt7UfgnHMRGdYb5r4/LofOR3ghdJ3OPhUsuRodzgFna4IKMUwTD 2DxmQARLskflDOAHOSIIqMOsvnPW/YmIwSz13EuOFqdLH7ZYBLsEPZ5mVtsZLEruOQ8o oAHYsChq2GV1aUwDHxOD8t6d75VKxS29F26DQryRpPJs5n6h6Z61VGSeC/cWpUohHGTh QbBIq0zb3iveGWp11hRZsNUzPxUNPjpAHT+gh5J+6TMt6QRCIZq1CnS0amA3eLUvt0/S Heeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=3whJw79dPsgFA2V/HFOy518kXOLNA2N6hUAIxiFaOls=; b=M15yPuU6ZPVNKzkhotWFlJHuYIq3DVRj5EbdC5ze77UtGHg6e1u/bZzhNbBcErTxlF jHa5RqV6hgw65BPJSi3yZ3DSYma4oFvOrePEf0K4otL7dx9mS1hytFIhCnmUIuTX6GE8 fOfPmaGcEj4b+eDDhaQtlgnPU72m3KlODThaAhP10jUnkirp5huDH/L58sW3ATHvqNf8 yaYH3XRc8CPQUFP9bLsAZRY/DBU0sOg9xfZJLhjTPVUbwIGCCF4ArAxqrXkc5jU+syvw uO9wzld/OkInmluGCHbKQC7B2zeDe0co2nT5rFj0m47EPcXq32HQclHvSQLBFMhd4ITx K98Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVC3xZp0dZGv+YxX55/6jfHEYbo9LR7uFaxsMmBqWQ/K+HJuKGG OHlbLhHoWtfBNWni1l3Wc8UumAvnPdqlROl6WSA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SoyQ862b1TtBFIqoOL2FAR2gX+JNWL3xU4FErBpmDKaFyLqCef+oKtea629MUzhxFW3tp/0kBI5ayXseg8+sU= X-Received: by 10.36.69.209 with SMTP id c78mr2811019itd.119.1509633590527; Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:39:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.180.101 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2017 07:39:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Suction cup mount To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c14860e78c3a055d00f5ef" --001a11c14860e78c3a055d00f5ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Rick, Some excellent notes here. I think the nut with super glue or hot clue and threaded rod would be best. The suction cup came to mind purely as what I thought the normal solution would be but it would have been at the back and not seen. But, I like the rod idea. Oh and the beer will be full too, so suspended in mid-air and slightly canted/tipped to one side. As a follow up, I see the Gobo head, which is fairly large right? I believe the same as those on my C Stand right? Now, with a camera shot direct on to the bottle, fairly tight shot of bottle, would do you recommend to best hide the attachments on the backside? Just thinking through in my head at the moment but seems the Gobo would show. Eric On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Rick Gerard wrote: > I have found that suspending from black carpet thread is usually the best > solution. You can super glue the thread to the inside of the neck of a > bottle or better yet cut a disk that fits in the neck with a hole in the > center. The thread can be sprayed with dulling spray and unless the > background is very light and a backlight reflects on the thread, you seldom > have to do any rig removal to get a perfectly clean shot. > > You can also hot glue 1/4 20 T nuts The Hillman Group 2511 1/4-20 x 5/16 > x 3/4 Inch Brad Hole Tee Nut, 13-Pack > > > or Oval Nuts 80/20 Inc., 3675, 10 Series, Stainless Steel Slide-In > Economy T-Nut 1/4-20 (25 Pack) > > > to the side of a bottle or anything else and attach a threaded rod held by > a Gobo Head. > > Using a suction cup on a bottle will give you a fairly large funny looking > spot on the bottle that will be hard to disguise in post. Hot glue will > easily hold two or three pounds with a 1/2 inch dab. Super glue works > extremely well. You still have to make sure that the shear loads are not > too great and make sure the torque load (bending load) does not cause the > attachment to fail. > > If you really must use a suction cup then there are a lot of household > options on Amazon: M4 Strong Transparent Screw Suction Cup Hook 5 > piece/pack,Cap Nut > > > I would not trust them with much of a load. > > Hope this helps. Super glue, hot glue, black carpet thread, dulling spray, > 1/4 to T nuts and oval nuts have been in my Grip kit for more than 40 > years. They are as indispensable as Black Wrap. > > Hope this helps. > > *Rick Gerard* > DP/VFX Supervisor > Northern CA > > -- *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * --001a11c14860e78c3a055d00f5ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick,

Some excellent notes h= ere. I think the nut with super glue or hot clue and threaded rod would be = best.=C2=A0 The suction cup came to mind purely as what I thought the norma= l solution would be but it would have been at the back and not seen.=C2=A0= =C2=A0But, I like the rod idea.=C2=A0 Oh and the beer will be full too, so = suspended in mid-air and slightly canted/tipped to one side.

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As a follow up, I see the Gobo head, which is fairly large right= ?=C2=A0 I believe the same as those on my C Stand right?=C2=A0 Now, with a = camera shot direct on to the bottle, fairly tight shot of bottle,=C2=A0woul= d do you recommend to best hide the attachments on the backside?=C2=A0 Just= thinking through in my head at the moment but seems the Gobo would show.

Eric=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Rick Ge= rard <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I have found th= at suspending from black carpet thread is usually the best solution. You ca= n super glue the thread to the inside of the neck of a bottle or better yet= cut a disk that fits in the neck with a hole in the center. The thread can= be sprayed with dulling spray and unless the background is very light and = a backlight reflects on the thread, you seldom have to do any rig removal t= o get a perfectly clean shot.


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or Oval Nuts=C2=A080/20 Inc., 3675= , 10 Series, Stainless Steel Slide-In Economy T-Nut 1/4-20 (25 Pack)

to the side of a bottle or anything else and attach = a threaded rod held by a Gobo Head.

Using a suctio= n cup on a bottle will give you a fairly large funny looking spot on the bo= ttle that will be hard to disguise in post. Hot glue will easily hold two o= r three pounds with a 1/2 inch dab. Super glue works extremely well. You st= ill have to make sure that the shear loads are not too great and make sure = the torque load (bending load) does not cause the attachment to fail.=C2=A0=

If you really must use a suction cup then there a= re a lot of household options on Amazon:=C2=A0M4 Strong Transparent Screw Suction Cup Hook 5 piece/pac= k,Cap Nut

I would not trust them with much of = a load.

Hope this helps. Super glue, hot glue, bla= ck carpet thread, dulling spray, 1/4 to T nuts and oval nuts have been in m= y Grip kit for more than 40 years. They are as indispensable as Black Wrap.=

Hope this helps.

Rick Gerard
DP/VFX Supervisor
Northern C= A




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