From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6350434 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 19:46:16 +0100 Received: from [10.1.1.106] ([71.87.57.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus001 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJV9h-1e8ZKa400h-003D9S for ; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 19:49:08 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_11BF0676-0A97-4402-A7F7-0CA6643EC1E7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.11\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Suction cup mount Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 13:49:06 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5B4A2599-D666-4822-A714-D4A1801F9286@practicalillusions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:7lwXQAbwQ/pUUvIaPFXX0MoXnDg72D4zF+suM99yCigRY+d+d5S LZ8be0zpOA+Heo10pOOa/rViQaji/I0Iw0AlOkHHEvBhZc2dPgxm3YwZUBLDniqBSO23Yi/ qEVulIMh/uTB7ZwiJE11KYHvR5alGkYzQJjlBLs4b4dSUYjTQ1FwqoDcclxmzd5vyfQ5s9C 8fvvSu3YlZWgNwlEyU6vw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ArtEoe65zRw=:Gt5oHoQdiGPyD/G+tIEgtt 4qPohxPLv0zdx+WEDAC8Lz3GCFDUUm4Zhb8eLUtGVHmWgRa6TrNHXyav2VGXF+e46s6CSuJYc hpjwRjzVwUWPJgk+yjjbJKMxMnf1+AYlk/VA5TOKKRW2tVBiuhs4gdyvedVPre1tKDnposG5P Suno/DxZykJjCAmWeqvj7Nn1mN/tPayTtvtG5u/zRfkufXFHSsrwnrholHxXmkbParyO0mW31 gBQl7X/h4uLoFVjE8zYPskHkvLAe2AcyazJF7Zqt7HWtsSAHhAsUk6A1Wv3Tuh3vpX3jry3ZX wWJp4AtwF5W8C7W3zUGdj2E2mTWMyy1QSbSPAcOP3a8/pX5wa4F1g1671iKXeedIEfDYJHbtH vWbFHosFvvnFpxEIvB6+tdrj3w2VAi9YTfvW9Pe0Qj/XZqO0A3ztunArFBr4sGhuu3GE8LeCn o1CSElyiOiQcz4ZX9lbvgVuypldEodpUnZonk2GT8JKcBxqDHCh8RU49DypYceUgm3p9xNQDo yz9ypyNcu01kZO/HIp+EqRvgZSt8j6PqLIGwSoqQoykTVdT1ixBPWV2KQ9+D+jNPmy4DkweRV uJ/5AvLz5Zb4Sym4CIyTHBXLO3q2l/LnV2U4JGBjNP2arHc07SHP3Rkx4R3Js6J8IzRUC0Z6t jcd+FB/Rnoyx56E0hysYpzf5WvIu3rvaQNJLHC900iMvXYR00M1eDgMmKHaPuoPDYja8IK9S/ 8Qes2GQH8BLQPNFqBL7r73Vc49Bv4V7JnCVKhLapFNpuTC4bg4LsDlSZhlk= --Apple-Mail=_11BF0676-0A97-4402-A7F7-0CA6643EC1E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 actually BerkeySystem.com is the source for parts for building all sorts = of product rigs, especially ones that need to pour. they have all the = bits in a couple different standard sizes, with all the connectors, = bearing blocks etc you=E2=80=99d need to make a product rig. S > On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >=20 > Rick, >=20 > Some excellent notes here. I think the nut with super glue or hot clue = and threaded rod would be best. The suction cup came to mind purely as = what I thought the normal solution would be but it would have been at = the back and not seen. But, I like the rod idea. Oh and the beer will = be full too, so suspended in mid-air and slightly canted/tipped to one = side. >=20 > As a follow up, I see the Gobo head, which is fairly large right? I = believe the same as those on my C Stand right? Now, with a camera shot = direct on to the bottle, fairly tight shot of bottle, would do you = recommend to best hide the attachments on the backside? Just thinking = through in my head at the moment but seems the Gobo would show. >=20 > Eric =20 >=20 > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Rick Gerard > wrote: > I have found that suspending from black carpet thread is usually the = best solution. You can super glue the thread to the inside of the neck = of a bottle or better yet cut a disk that fits in the neck with a hole = in the center. The thread can be sprayed with dulling spray and unless = the background is very light and a backlight reflects on the thread, you = seldom have to do any rig removal to get a perfectly clean shot. >=20 > You can also hot glue 1/4 20 T nuts The Hillman Group 2511 1/4-20 x = 5/16 x 3/4 Inch Brad Hole Tee Nut, 13-Pack = >=20 > or Oval Nuts 80/20 Inc., 3675, 10 Series, Stainless Steel Slide-In = Economy T-Nut 1/4-20 (25 Pack) = >=20 > to the side of a bottle or anything else and attach a threaded rod = held by a Gobo Head. >=20 > Using a suction cup on a bottle will give you a fairly large funny = looking spot on the bottle that will be hard to disguise in post. Hot = glue will easily hold two or three pounds with a 1/2 inch dab. Super = glue works extremely well. You still have to make sure that the shear = loads are not too great and make sure the torque load (bending load) = does not cause the attachment to fail.=20 >=20 > If you really must use a suction cup then there are a lot of household = options on Amazon: M4 Strong Transparent Screw Suction Cup Hook 5 = piece/pack,Cap Nut = >=20 > I would not trust them with much of a load. >=20 > Hope this helps. Super glue, hot glue, black carpet thread, dulling = spray, 1/4 to T nuts and oval nuts have been in my Grip kit for more = than 40 years. They are as indispensable as Black Wrap. >=20 > Hope this helps. >=20 > Rick Gerard > DP/VFX Supervisor > Northern CA >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > VFX for Kirk Productions > 443.206.1347 <> > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric = > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = > =20 --Apple-Mail=_11BF0676-0A97-4402-A7F7-0CA6643EC1E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 actually BerkeySystem.com is the source for parts for building all = sorts of product rigs, especially ones that need to pour. they have all = the bits in a couple different standard sizes, with all the connectors, = bearing blocks etc you=E2=80=99d need to make a product rig.

S

On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Rick,

Some excellent notes here. I think the = nut with super glue or hot clue and threaded rod would be best.  = The suction cup came to mind purely as what I thought the normal = solution would be but it would have been at the back and not = seen.  But, I like the rod idea.  Oh and the beer will be = full too, so suspended in mid-air and slightly canted/tipped to one = side.

As a = follow up, I see the Gobo head, which is fairly large right?  I = believe the same as those on my C Stand right?  Now, with a camera = shot direct on to the bottle, fairly tight shot of bottle, would do = you recommend to best hide the attachments on the backside?  Just = thinking through in my head at the moment but seems the Gobo would = show.

Eric  

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, = Rick Gerard <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I have found that = suspending from black carpet thread is usually the best solution. You = can super glue the thread to the inside of the neck of a bottle or = better yet cut a disk that fits in the neck with a hole in the center. = The thread can be sprayed with dulling spray and unless the background = is very light and a backlight reflects on the thread, you seldom have to = do any rig removal to get a perfectly clean shot.

You can also hot glue 1/4 20 T = nuts The Hillman Group 2511 = 1/4-20 x 5/16 x 3/4 Inch Brad Hole Tee Nut, 13-Pack

or Oval Nuts 80/20 Inc., 3675, 10 = Series, Stainless Steel Slide-In Economy T-Nut 1/4-20 (25 = Pack)

to = the side of a bottle or anything else and attach a threaded rod held by = a Gobo Head.

Using a suction cup on a bottle will give you a fairly large = funny looking spot on the bottle that will be hard to disguise in post. = Hot glue will easily hold two or three pounds with a 1/2 inch dab. Super = glue works extremely well. You still have to make sure that the shear = loads are not too great and make sure the torque load (bending load) = does not cause the attachment to fail. 

If you really must use a suction cup = then there are a lot of household options on Amazon: M4 Strong = Transparent Screw Suction Cup Hook 5 piece/pack,Cap Nut

I would not trust them = with much of a load.

Hope this helps. Super glue, hot glue, black carpet thread, = dulling spray, 1/4 to T nuts and oval nuts have been in my Grip kit for = more than 40 years. They are as indispensable as Black Wrap.

Hope this = helps.

Rick = Gerard
DP/VFX Supervisor
Northern CA



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Eric D. Kirk | Kirk = Productions
VFX for Kirk = Productions
443.206.1347
www.kirkproductions.com
kirkproductions@gmail.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/
 

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