From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com ([209.85.214.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6359569 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:43:47 +0100 Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id x13so3858362iti.4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:47:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XCTesQaWob95U8Bua45pRyZbEmJ1n7dR+fAcphNensc=; b=ryFUemVZdfd8ZbSfDDfCID826bD2x7ohgcsrDN096xMaO2vBSCQlVzNEySIr9SYbCL 9ey6h0c1bEKT8Dn5u4ibpYO/6s0+e4DDtIIiPXlGgRvnH58h05WDxgEuL2bUdqbw6Azb PcTvZMTfbuMnL/L42bS0ovdz7kOB4Zym78F36071+JnMoRq9wx2/8pDTxMboStB6i2bi MeDM3OCtNdyqI4FCl4UCSFwnrZ+y17Pl160/J6yoc1T1VW7cGMXkRJSHYhW1Jt4P0WzH mhQ0sZIt1ifOcbsHTIlTgP67G1QLOlzMfslKPEXK9S0QtRENRTrIuKWL17gzF4uwXVBJ 81/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XCTesQaWob95U8Bua45pRyZbEmJ1n7dR+fAcphNensc=; b=oRQAg0Tr9C5peL9Rm35Zr6rntkiJWGjL6KSFL/fVpZQtDOrf7t+O4yTvTPj8WLX3dQ Hk8duyGk5pZjRESFlW3ptx4/yIhPKq2LliSMAyJx6skgOs2YMAXpREibRacxI/ywIQ+9 ty921s0dDO0PHqsi9a+c5GyocyDTmOBZJd84RVplVaSUyM5EEvx8et/VM3cFI4cQkrck kmVxoVadrbiEF42y0mn431MxKh16id0THiyZ5LIMrgR2Hcsuezhd7VbsmJC46Flt8fge fWBO8UtrxVzzL929S3aEqqPI76tUobg/CT8GkPJ3qiogakHOQYdlpr1YCfiMg8TXUfN7 WETg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4ZrAlV/1iG1Bzbg5tHjhIS1NZiKv03vkviaF1u7W0TDgqh6b/6 LAsKwNYi/CZ8a++8hCQ4r4BJlydrQ7iFNnuehU4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYhG5whLKg5Y7ebFFGqREDQKMyDsrnXvYxhiQyxlYIo/bobXEVmSBTbcRVydoVNpfZS+BFms1s0agRVC0a5z+4= X-Received: by 10.36.228.68 with SMTP id o65mr4128157ith.128.1511300834742; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.168.14 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.2.168.14 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:47:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:47:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c124520675602055e852525" --94eb2c124520675602055e852525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross, Oh, that 30% is what got me looking and I agree on the keying suites. I've used the AE one standard and it's great. I've used the RG one and sometimes the AE has been Better. This Boris one seems to have a bit more capability and as said earlier, never know what the hell the client will submit, more times than not, it's not perfect. Eric On Nov 21, 2017 16:44, "Ross Shain" wrote: > And the cheesy marketing note: > Continuum Keying Unit (with Primatte and integrated Mocha masking) is on > sale now for 30% off. > > You can never have too many keying options. > https://store.borisfx.com/products/continuum-units-key-and-blend > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > > > On Nov 21, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there's any relation between the primatte keyer from > Red Giant and the primatte at keyer from Boris? And second, Has anyone us= ed > the Boris keyer and how does it compare? > > > http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/03/boris-fx-licenses- > primatte-keyer-sets-nab-launch-for-updates/ > > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a > couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from > buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a > very good keying plug-in. > > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a f= ew > advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. > > I=E2=80=99ve found that in less than ideal green screen shots that amateu= r > shooters have given me, it can help to use two instances of Keylight: one > to remove most of the green, and a second to fine tune the key. I=E2=80= =99ve read > that this is a reason for the Intermediate Result option on the first > instance. > > Try playing with the Screen Matte > Replace Method dropdown. =E2=80=9COf= f" may > give you the best result. It=E2=80=99s not the default setting. > > In my experience, the better the green screen was shot, the easier it is > to key. But, I have no control over the people my clients hire to shoot. > Many of them apparently think all you need to do is hang up some green > paper or fabric and shoot away, and on Long-GOP crap codec to make matter= s > worse. > > That said, I=E2=80=99m already a BCC10 customer, and will look at this up= grade. > I=E2=80=99ve read of some plan to CUDA accelerate their plugs in Pr, whic= h would be > awfully sweet. The Ultra keyer in Pr is pretty good, but not great, and > it=E2=80=99d be nice not to have to Dynamically link to Ae to get better = keys. > > > .. > > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > --94eb2c124520675602055e852525 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ross,

Oh, th= at 30% is what got me looking and I agree on the keying suites. I've us= ed the AE one standard and it's great. I've used the RG one and som= etimes the AE has been Better. This Boris one seems to have a bit more capa= bility and as said earlier, never know what the hell the client will submit= , more times than not, it's not perfect. =C2=A0
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Eric

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On Nov 21, 2017 16:44, "Ross Shain" &l= t;AE-List@media-motion.tv>= ; wrote:
And the cheesy marketing note:
Continuum Keying Unit (with Primatte and integrat= ed Mocha masking) is on sale now for 30% off.

You can never have too many keying options.=C2=A0
https= ://store.borisfx.com/products/continuum-units-key-and-blend
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Jim Cu= rtis <AE-Li= st@media-motion.tv> wrote:


On Nov 21, 2017, at 2:5= 1 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=

Does anyone know if there's any relation between the prima= tte keyer from Red Giant and the primatte at keyer from Boris? And second, = Has anyone used the Boris keyer and how does it compare?

http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/03/boris-fx-licenses-primatt= e-keyer-sets-nab-launch-for-updates/

I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things: =C2=A0The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from b= uying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a ver= y good keying plug-in.

IMO, it=E2=80=99s w= orth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a few advanced tutorials= .=C2=A0 It may be all you need.

I=E2=80=99= ve found that in less than ideal green screen shots that amateur shooters h= ave given me, it can help to use two instances of Keylight: one to remove m= ost of the green, and a second to fine tune the key.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve rea= d that this is a reason for the Intermediate Result option on the first ins= tance.

Try playing with the Screen Matte &= gt; Replace Method dropdown. =C2=A0=E2=80=9COff" may give you the best= result.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not the default setting.

In my experience, the better the green screen was shot, the easi= er it is to key.=C2=A0 But, I have no control over the people my clients hi= re to shoot. Many of them apparently think all you need to do is hang up so= me green paper or fabric and shoot away, and on Long-GOP crap codec to make= matters worse.

That said, I=E2=80=99m alr= eady a BCC10 customer, and will look at this upgrade.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve re= ad of some plan to CUDA accelerate their plugs in Pr, which would be awfull= y sweet. The Ultra keyer in Pr is pretty good, but not great, and it=E2=80= =99d be nice not to have to Dynamically link to Ae to get better keys.


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